
Phenoutilistic Theory
Chapters - Click to jump
Introduction
Case for Radical Nihilism
Issues with Radical Nihilism
Phenoutilistic Model
Phenoutilistic Language
Solutions to Issues with Nihilism
Applications of Phenoutilism
Examples
Utility Sources
Utility and Value
Utility Source Pairs
The Four Groups
IMSA
OCIM
SAEP
EPOC
1 (EO)
2 (PC)
3 (CP)
4 (OE)
5 (CM)
6 (OI)
7 (IO)
8 (MC)
9 (IS)
10 (MA)
11 (AM)
12 (SI)
13 (AP)
14 (SE)
15 (ES)
16 (PA)
Utilitarianism
Final Thoughts
Introduction
In an era where scientific discoveries and philosophical inquiries increasingly erode the foundations of our most cherished beliefs—free will, objective truth, and moral absolutes—how do we confront the void left behind? Radical nihilism, the stark realization that nothing is inherently meaningful, purposeful, or real, is both terrifying and liberating. Yet, as we peel back the illusions of self, choice, and objectivity, we are left with pressing questions: How do we navigate a world without anchors? What happens to society, motivation, and human connection if everything is subjective and predetermined?
We begin by making the case for radical nihilism and exploring its profound implications and challenges. From there, I introduce the Phenoutilistic model as a practical framework, complete with a redefined language to make sense of our nihilistic world. We'll examine how it dissolves expected crises - like the collapse of morality or motivation - and apply it to real-world debates on abortion, immigration, suicide, and more. Delving deeper, I'll outline sources of utility and a typology of human values, revealing why people clash so fiercely yet can coexist. Finally, we'll reflect on utilitarianism's role in shaping societies and why Phenoutilism offers a superior path forward.
This is not abstract theory for its own sake; it's a toolkit for living authentically in a universe that owes us no meaning. Whether you're a skeptic disillusioned by religion and science alike, or someone grappling with existential unease, you will no doubt enjoy exploring how embracing subjectivity can lead to clarity, coherence, and even joy. After all, if nothing is objective, then your experiences - and what feels good within them - are all that truly exist and all that truly matter.
Case for Radical Nihilism
The more we learn about physics and neuroscience, the more confirmation we get that humans do not have free will. Free will is just a feeling, like touch, sight, or smell. Even if we include the possibility of quantum indeterminism, the actions humans take are out of their control. Humans are simply responding to stimuli, like sight, touch, and smell, and free will and the existence of the self are just some of these stimuli. Life is not a game; it's more of a movie, with hyperrealistic graphics, audio, and other inputs, and to make that movie even more immersive, we have the feeling of self and of free will. By the way, we don’t always have that feeling. 99.999% of the time, you don’t think that there is a “you” doing things when you are walking, talking, working, playing, etc.
There are two kinds of objectivity that people believe in: real and moral. The easiest way to dispel the existence of objective morality is to point out that people have different preferences for color and taste. And if everyone likes vanilla ice cream over chocolate, that doesn’t mean that vanilla ice cream objectively tastes better than chocolate ice cream. Similarly, if no one in the entire world likes slavery or murder, that doesn’t mean that they are objectively bad. The far more prevalent is the belief in objective reality, and it is probably even easier to dispel than morality. You could simply point out that we could be in a simulation or a brain in a vat, or the conscience of a higher authority.
The concept of objectivity becomes even more meaningless if we consider that free will and choice might not exist. Subjective morality makes no sense, since without the ability to choose actions, there is no morality to determine which actions would be good and bad, even subjectively, since morality is simply a set of prescriptive statements. Nothing to do - nothing to prescribe.
One implication of the fact that objective morality and reality do not exist is that the disagreements people have over them are meaningless. In fact, people often cite the existence of disagreements as proof of the existence of objective morality and reality. The idea is that if these are not objective, then the disagreements are meaningless. Let’s look at the disagreements about reality first. If reality is subjective, but there are a lot of things we agree on, then we can use the agreements that we have to determine other things we agree on, like using the laws of mathematics that we agree on to solve complex equations. But if there is a crazy person who believes that the sky is the same color as their skin 24 hours a day, then we simply cannot agree with them on that. Then any disagreement with them about the color of things is meaningless; there is no way to know whether it is you (and almost everyone else in the world) that is hallucinating or that one “crazy” person. Suppose you suddenly woke up to a realization that WW2 ended in 1946, more specifically, that every person and every source tells you that it ended in 1946. How many days and sources would have to pass for you to consider that “your truth” is not “the truth”?
Disagreements on subjective morality are even more meaningless; they are essentially two parties claiming to like or dislike a certain action. Of course, we don’t just say “I like abortion” or “I don’t like immigration”; we use objective-sounding language, “abortion is bad” or “immigration is moral”, because that helps us convince the other party. But what does it even mean to convince someone of an action being moral/immoral? This is actually quite similar to convincing someone of something being true or false. A person already has certain preferences, and we can use these preferences to convince them of the incoherence of some other preferences. For example, if a person believes that murder is bad and child sacrifice is good, we can convince them of the incoherence of their position and then prove to them that murder is actually good or maybe even that child sacrifice is bad.
Note here that just like everything else, coherence and consistency of a position do not make it better or worse. Plus, almost always, people already do have a coherent position. But sometimes that coherence is obscured. Here is an example. Suppose I believe abortion is bad because I think it will lead to lower birth rates and population collapse. Then my girlfriend becomes pregnant, and I make her have an abortion. Is that an example of an incoherent position? Actually, it isn’t. One can want to preserve their nation/society and its population while not wanting a child at the same time. Or take an example about child sacrifice I just mentioned. A person can agree that allowing murder would be bad for them, and therefore it is not good, while at the same time believing that sacrificing a child is good for them or for their nation. This is the “do as I say, not as I do” kind of logic, but it is subjectively consistent.
A word about religion. A lot of religious people believe that without a higher authority, there might not be objective morality, reality, free will, or choice, and that we need God or something like God to create these for us. Philosophers then tie themselves in pretzels trying to show how these things can exist without a higher authority. I, however, do not believe that they can. But I also don’t believe objective morality, reality, free will, or choice can exist even if God exists.
Objective reality, in the case of the existence of a higher authority, is perhaps the easiest to disprove. Suppose a higher authority really exists in this reality. Then why can’t this higher authority exist within a larger simulation created by aliens? It can, of course. Objective morality is simply subjective morality, held by that higher authority. And of course, free will has even less ground to exist even with a higher authority present. If that higher authority is omnipotent, it can freely change our behavior, with all the science that tells us that free will does not exist still being in effect.
Issues with Radical Nihilism
The problems with radical nihilism are as obvious as they are numerous. Let’s start with free will and choice. First of all, if free will and choice do not exist, you cannot blame anyone for murder, theft, torture, or any kind of wrongdoing, or praise them for altruism, charity, success, achievement, or innovation. That also means there is no morality in general, no virtue, no choice in whether you love or hate someone, no motivation, and no meaning to life. If people were to adopt the idea that there is no free will, then we would expect a dramatic increase in violence and laziness, mental health issues, disorder, and chaos, perhaps even xenophobia and eugenics. As I will keep doing throughout this chapter, I will leave these concerns in the mind of the reader and address them later.
What are the issues with there not being objective morality? First of all, all moral disagreement becomes pointless, and all moral debates – useless. We would also have to accept that the conscious, pointless, brutal, and eternal torture of millions of people is not bad or immoral; it’s just not our preference. Moral claims and statements might lose their motivational value. That would make moral norms lose their grounding, and social cohesion would be greatly diminished due to the lack of common values. Policies, rights, and laws become completely pointless or at least arbitrary, and the threats of anarchy and chaos become much more prevalent.
I don’t believe that there are too many practical issues with reality nihilism. At worst, it diminishes the appeal of scientific arguments, but most of the people I know seem to share experiences with me, even if we are all a part of a simulation or my experiences are just my hallucination. We can still show that people are “wrong” by appealing to their own beliefs about their subjective reality. You could say that this does not apply to crazy people, but we seem to have already “solved” that problem by putting them in mental institutions for not sharing reality with the rest of us, just like we jail people who do not share morality with most of us.
Finally, perhaps the biggest problem with radical nihilism, and one that does not get talked about enough, is that radical nihilism is counterintuitive and hard to explain. Suppose all other issues, for one reason or another, went away. How do you explain to someone that the values and ideals they held to their entire lives are pointless, false, useless, etc.? How do you explain to someone that they don’t have free will, that there is no good or bad, that the reality they perceive and have perceived for so long is not objective? We seem to be hard-wired to believe these things. Appealing to logical and scientific discoveries, to neuroscience, and fallacies is all well and good, but will it really convince even half the people to whom these arguments are presented? Sure, in philosophy, we don’t deal with how useful truth is or how easy it is to convince people of these beliefs, but the usefulness and convincing ability of radical nihilism is, nonetheless, to me, its greatest practical issue.
Phenoutilistic Model
And, in the face of all these issues, I propose what I call a phenoutilistic model. I claim that it will make sense of all the issues presented in the previous chapter and will even deal with the issues of the absurdity and complexity of radical nihilism.
If nothing is objective, then what is the basis for our worldview? Experiences. Life is a movie, and that movie is all we know. Perhaps we are hallucinating or in a simulation or insane, but we don’t “know” anything beyond the experiences we have. They comprise what we call reality, albeit a subjective one. There is no objective truth or falsehood; there are just descriptive statements that align with our experiences better and those that don’t align as well.
Note that when I say experiences, I mean experiences more than just in the traditional meaning of the word. By experience, I mean the input of information. That helps us use this word in the context of simulations, or brain in a vat, or divine input, where experiences would be computations of a processor, prodding of the brain, or thoughts of a higher authority, respectively. Note also that we are only talking about one experience, the one you are having right now. Experiences you’ve “had” even a second ago are no more than a memory. Memory is, of course, a part of the current experience. When I say experiences in the plural form, I mean present experience and memories of what seem to be past experiences.
If experiences are the basis for reality, then what could be the basis for morality? Experiences consist of many parts: sight, smell, touch, emotions, and other feelings, including the feeling of free will and choice, and of the self. Another part of the experience is the feeling of utility. Utility is a measure of how desirable or undesirable, or good or bad, an experience is. Most commonly, we subconsciously derive utility from the emotional part of the experience, although we might use other sources. The concept of utility is directly tied to concepts of good and bad, or desirable/undesirable. I think that good and bad are like blue and purple. Everyone knows what it feels like to see purple, but you cannot describe the feeling to someone who is blind. Utility is a feeling, like sight or hearing, but instead of determining the direction of the sound or color of an object, it determines how good or bad that experience was. And just like sight helps determine different colors, smell helps determine different flavors, utility is also a range of feelings from the absolute worst to the absolute best.
From here on, I will use the word good to describe a high-utility experience and the word bad to describe the opposite. A moral action would be one that leads to good experiences, and an immoral action would be one that leads to bad experiences. These good and bad are subjective, not objective. What is good for me could be bad for you. Whenever I use the word “good”, please always look for the subject that I am referring to. Finally, we can call Phenoutilism a worldview, which is based on the existence of only the experiences and the feeling of utility being an important part of these experiences.
A quick word about free will. Under the phenoutilistic model, and I share that view, free will is a part of the experiences, just like everything else; more specifically, it’s just a feeling. And so is the feeling of the “self”. It could be hard to wrap your head around this idea, so I will provide a brief explanation of it using materialistic assumptions. Things like the color red, the smell of chicken, or the feel of velvet don’t really exist in a materialistic universe. Using materialistic language, a red wall is really just a collection of particles that reflect light in a way that is perceived by our eyes to have a certain wave frequency, which is then translated by our brains into “red”. In that sense, “red” doesn’t exist. But we can describe that wall as “being red” or as us “feeling red color”. In the same way, the chicken smell does not exist “out there”; it is just a feeling that we have when certain chemicals enter our nostrils. The feeling of free will and the self is slightly different because it seemingly isn’t tied to some input from the material world. In reality, it is, but the brain does some extra processing between you hearing that you have to make a hard decision and a strong feeling that there is a self that is in control of this body, and that has to make a decision.
Phenoutilistic Language
But first, we need to talk about language and definitions. Humans have used language for a long time to communicate information and ideas, just like I am doing now. But at some point, we have become almost obsessed with definitions and creating a definition for every word. The issue with that is that it is impossible to create a non-circular perfect dictionary, since definitions use words, which themselves need definitions, which use words. Naturally, the only use of definitions is to clarify meaning or to teach a new word to someone. There is barely any use for definitions of words like “desire”, “meaning”, “you”, “believe”, and other abstract words. When, during a debate, someone claims it is necessary to define these words, which we understand intuitively, and which we use the same way in the same contexts, I respond by saying, “Let’s not worry about the definitions for now, and come back to it once we have a disagreement rooted in our understanding and usage of these specific words.”
That said, when I claim that free will does not exist, that morality and reality can only be subjective, there arise genuine questions about my usage of words like “choice”, “self”, “good”, “bad”, “true”, “false”, and many others. To be honest, the use case for these words will barely change, so even in the phenoutilistic framework, you can still use phrases like “murder is bad” or “it is true that the sky is blue”. So, how do we define them? Let’s point out first that we can actually completely do away with the aforementioned words, since they do not make sense if radical nihilism is accurate to our experiences (or true, if you will). But there are a few issues with that. First of all, these words are so omnipresent that it is very hard, or perhaps impossible, to completely remove them from our lexicon. Second, our speech will become a lot less informative; we’ll just have to use a lot more syllables to convey the same amount of information. Finally, we could just redefine them so that they are used in the same way in almost all contexts. So, the primary goal of the new definitions is to preserve as many existing use cases for these words as possible. That, opposed to completely deprecating them, or coming up with some random new definitions that do not reflect the existing use cases for these words, but make me stand out and sound thoughtful (as some philosophers I know like to do). So, let’s begin providing these definitions, or rather, let’s begin explaining what I mean when I use these words.
I already touched on experiences (input of information) and utility (feeling of goodness/desirability of experience). But what is that “self” that I keep referring to? Believe it or not, the self and consciousness can exist without free will. Remember, language is used to communicate. When I use the words “I” or “self”, I am referring to this (imagine me pointing to myself) body. Phenoutilism does not exclude the existence of mind or consciousness, but I propose the usage of these terms as the receiver of experiences who utters “I/self”. Choice still exists, and people can still choose; they just don’t have the free will to select which option they will choose. For example, I am making a choice to write this sentence, but my choice is predetermined. In general, choice and free will are more like feelings, just like utility. You just have the feeling that you have free will, but free will still exists, just in the form of the feeling, just like “red”, for example. True and false are just measures of how accurate some statement is to our experience, with “true” meaning very accurate and “false” meaning not accurate at all. So, the statement “it is true that the sky is blue” just means “it is very accurate to my experiences that the sky is blue”. It’s the same with good and bad, but now expressed in terms of utility, with good being “leading to high-utility experiences” and bad - “leading to low-utility experiences”. Then “murder is bad” is just “murder leads to low-utility experiences”. Or, since the objectivity of murder being bad is heavily implied, we could say “murder leads to low-utility experiences for everyone”. Frequently, I will use the word “should”. When I say “you should do X”, I (and everyone else, for that matter) mean “it would bring me high utility experiences if you do X”.
Before delving deeper, I want to note that I will talk as though the material world and time exist and that humans I experience have their own experiences with utility. I could constantly be using “in my experience” or “in the memories of experiences that I have” or “in my experiences of humans” to refer to these concepts, but it would be more concise and clear to use materialistic, temporal, and human-centric language. The disclaimer about the use of human-centric language might seem irrelevant, but remember that it is entirely possible that non-human animals and AI might have experiences with utility, and I am even of the opinion that they do. But the use of human-centric language will make the points I am making more relevant and appealing to a broader audience.
To give an example, the phrase “we considered human beheading good” would translate to “It is accurate to the experiences I can replay in my memory that other human organisms, if they had experiences similar to my own and if those experiences had utility, would receive high utility from experiences of other human organisms being beheaded”. As you can see, this is just too lengthy and difficult to understand.
And, of course, when I am claiming that Phenoutilism is true (and I am claiming that), what I am really saying is that Phenoutilistic descriptive claims align with my experiences, and I believe these claims align with other people’s experiences.
Finally, I don’t expect everyone to memorize these definitions and be conscious of how they use these words. This chapter mostly serves to dispel any arguments that I am using terms that I don’t believe make sense. Although I would hope that at least in the philosophical circles, these definitions do take hold, because saying “it is accurate to my experiences that abortion leads to low-utility experiences for everyone” is very tedious.
Solutions to Issues with Radical Nihilism
I described numerous issues with radical nihilism, a seemingly insurmountable pile of them, in fact. So, how does Phenoutilism help resolve these issues? The first thing to point out is that Phenoutilism does not necessarily “resolve” the issues; it more so helps show how these issues would resolve on their own. It’s kind of like asking how we can use chemistry to make salt using hydrochloric acid and sodium hydroxide. It’s not that we “use chemistry” to get there, it’s that chemistry can show us why mixing HCl and NaOH would produce NaCl. With that said, let’s see through a Phenoutilistic lens why the issues we expect to arise from radical nihilism actually don’t.
The free will issues, like our inability to meaningfully blame people for wrongdoings and praise them for good deeds, disappear, since these evaluations of actions change the utility assigned to these actions. And since we act based on the utility assigned to actions, these evaluations are not meaningless. For example, praising a scientist for making an incredibly useful discovery will change the expected utility of other people when they consider dedicating their time to science. This reasoning also applies to the issues of violence, chaos, and disorder, which will not arise, since people will be blamed and punished for delinquent actions like these. That, in turn, will change the expected utility of those who consider breaking the law.
There are more emotional objections to free will nihilism, like the point that without free will, there is no morality, no virtue, no choice in whether you love or hate someone, no motivation, and no meaning to life. The issue with these objections is that there is, in fact, no morality or virtue, but there is a choice in what to do or who to love; it’s just that that choice is predetermined. You are making that choice, but in the same sense that a plant chooses to grow towards the sun.
Choice is generally a higher utility feeling; the choice to love or hate exists, in the same sense as “purple” exists. It is not a real thing that is found in nature (only lightwaves of certain frequencies exist), but we still feel purple colors. In the same sense, choice is not a real thing, but we feel it. This is perhaps the most confusing point, because it talks about choice in a meta way, but this understanding of choice should, in my opinion, prevent the rise in mental health issues if free will nihilism is more widely adopted.
Another free will nihilism issue is abulia (laziness), which we would expect to dramatically increase if free will nihilism was to be widely adopted. In reality, there are experiences with higher and lower utility, and we perform actions that lead to higher utility. You can only be lazy if the utility of performing an action is lower than the utility of not performing an action, which is rarely true if that action is something you have been performing your entire life. Although, of course, people do perform actions because they believe that there is some metaphysical value to them, because God commands it, or because it is an objectively moral thing to do. But we derive utility from other things too, and these things could motivate us to act instead.
Why do humans do all the things that seemingly require objective morality if morality is subjective? The key is understanding that it’s not that we should act in accordance with what brings us the highest utility as evaluated in the moment, it's that we already do act that way. That should clear up why people sacrifice themselves or why people act in seemingly irrational and selfless or altruistic and noble ways. We derive utility from knowing we acted fairly or improved the utility of others or, most commonly, acted in a way that is considered good, even if that consideration is subjective.
Policies, rights, and laws are not based on moral absolutes but on the preferences of the lawmakers. Quite often, constituents of the lawmakers have similar preferences to them, and if they don’t, we see reelections at best and revolutions and uprisings at worst. In this case, you would indeed expect anarchy and uprising, but it is no different with or without morality being perceived as objective or subjective.
I also provided an example of conscious, brutal, eternal torture of millions of people, not being immoral, but just being not preferred. Per our definition of “immoral”, even though it is not objectively immoral, you can still consider it immoral because you don’t like it personally. But in general, if nobody likes the conscious, brutal, eternal torture of millions of people, then what is the practical difference between this action being immoral and generally disliked? There is a theoretical or a philosophical difference, but not a practical one.
I mentioned that I don’t believe that there are that many problems with reality nihilism. Science can simply be repurposed to make predictions and structure available experiences, which is what it already does. There is no truth, but there are experiences you can and cannot have. For example, you cannot experience mixing sodium hydroxide with hydrochloric acid and getting ionized cobalt out of that reaction. Some people might say that if the truth is whatever you experience, then people can become blind to the rational arguments, and anecdotal arguments could take precedence. For example, if we are arguing gun control and the studies show that placing limitation X on weapons decreases murder rates, this argument might not matter if there are barely any murders around the argument recipient, who lives in a city where there is no limitation X on weapons. But here is the thing: your experience of living in that city only shows that the city has few murders and that limitation X is not in place. Your experience of reading the study tells you that limitation X is actually a good policy (good if you want to prevent murders, that is). Which is why anecdotal evidence (evidence from personal experience) should never take precedence over studies. By the way, studies only show what is more likely true. They don’t tell you what to do. Perhaps for that city, the best course of action (if you believe murders in that city are bad) would be indeed to not enforce limitation X, so as not to embolden the criminals. But generally, studies are useful guides to actions.
The final problem I mentioned is the problem of simplicity. If we were to believe in a materialistic universe, then it seems our brains are not wired to understand that morality, reality, and free will do not exist. We really have to abandon our intuitions and common sense to believe in radical nihilism. But believe it or not, I don’t think our brains are wired to understand the complexities of the material world or objective reality, or to understand the complexities of various moral systems that we belong to, either. And we don’t really think about free will and whether it exists or not, almost ever. The actual way we think is this: Whatever we believe is true, whatever makes us happy is good. This is way easier to understand and memorize than some religious texts or hundreds of years of scientific advancement. And that, of course, is one way to state the basis of Phenoutilism.
Applications of Phenoutilism
Now that we’ve shown why most of the expected issues will not actually arise, let’s talk about why Phenoutilism is better than all other commonly accepted belief systems. First, Phenoutilism is compatible with moral, real, and free will nihilism, which are positions that much better reflect our experiences. And it’s not just compatible, it provides a grounding for them. One of the better counterarguments to radical nihilism is that if it is true, then there is no basis for anything, which materialism and religion provide. This, I consider a valid concern. Another valid concern is that these positions are very difficult to convey to someone who hasn’t heard of them or who struggles to detach themselves from the dearly held propositions about the absoluteness of truth or morality, for example. It is much simpler to understand and accept that there are things that are true and false, that there is good and evil, and that you are an individual, separate from the rest of the world, that is able to perform actions that affect said world. If you try to explain to that individual, that the reason why they act in one way or another is due to a specific chemical and neural connections in their brain, or if you start to explain how reality is subjective and we could really all be hallucinating, this seems at best hard to understand and at worst ludicrous and just complete nonsense.
So, how does Phenoutilism solve these issues? Isn’t explaining experiences and utility much more difficult than even that? Well, the shortened version of phenoutilism is something like “whatever you experience is true and whatever you like is moral”. This is very easy to understand and also better matches what people believe. That said, there is, of course, semantic trickery going on here. The phrasing makes it seem like I mean that you just so happen to believe what is true and moral, but what I really mean is that “true” and “moral” are defined as whatever you believe. But that doesn’t mean that you don’t also “happen” to believe whatever is true and moral. This worldview is really easy to convey and comprehend, and is accurate for all people. It is certainly easier to understand than materialism, fully comprehending which requires extensive knowledge of the natural sciences, and it is easier than religions, which require knowledge of the texts.
Another area where Phenoutilism excels is moral and factual debates, believe it or not. Most people go into a debate assuming that there is truth and falsehood at best, and at worst, that they know what is true or moral. For that reason, debates are largely pointless. One side has one set of experiences and preferences, and the other side has another set of experiences and preferences. You can’t change people’s experiences without significant psychological or brain intervention, which debates generally don’t do. That said, I will no doubt still engage in debates, because it is a stimulating activity.
By understanding Phenoutilism, we can also better understand the crux of the disagreements. For example, when discussing abortion, debates often come down to where life begins and whether a fetus is a life. But the argument is not about the definition of life; it is about at what point you dislike the death of babies more than the discomfort of an unwanted pregnancy, if at all. People rarely hold positions based on the definitions or on the consistency of moral systems. A minority of people draw high utility from knowing they act morally or logically, or that they hold consistent positions. And the utility they draw from that is not just high, it’s higher than the utility they draw from physical or emotional pleasure, fame, violence, or other base instincts. No doubt, with them, the idea of phenoutilism is less likely to resonate, not only because it is nihilistic to the things they hold so dear, but also because it requires them to look within for the things that bring them pleasure and not towards the moral and logical systems already set up.
As I see it, there are two kinds of utility: social and agentic. We will go into a lot more detail on these later, but for now, I will explain what the difference between them is. The agentic utility is what you probably thought about when I first brought up the concept of utility. This is the kind of utility that only concerns the individual, think comfort, emotional pleasure, fame, wealth, satisfaction of base or animal instincts. The social utility is the kind that seemingly supersedes personal experience and desires, and that focuses on the society, the world, or other individuals. We have already discussed morality and truth, but it could also be some sort of global achievement, or making other people believe something that the individual considers true. Societies, almost by definition, are built and organized by people with social values. That doesn’t mean people with agentic values are leeches on that society; they contribute to it by proxy when pursuing their values. Businesses are built by people who pursue wealth and comfort in their lives, inventions are made by people who pursue attention, and all kinds of people, at least in a capitalist society, work to advance their own interests. Another important note is that people with social values are still “selfish”; it’s just that their selfishness extends to and affects other people and the world.
Perhaps after seeing me talk about how different people have different values, and that none of these values are truly right or wrong, you would believe that I will start advocating for some advanced form of utilitarianism, since utility is such a prevalent part of Phenoutilism. But here’s the thing, even if I did prefer this advanced form of utilitarianism, this would be… just my preference. Even a position of wanting the best possible utility (as in the best possible for just that person, and that would differ from person to person) for everyone is just my opinion. Besides the abstract logical argument that I made before, for why this isn’t objectively good, there are practical considerations too.
Consider this: should this absolute best possible good for everyone be momentary, or should it last forever, by forcing people to reproduce but making them like it? Should we just kill everyone, thereby achieving the best utility? Or should we just spare the people who are made happy the easiest? Do non-human animals count? And these considerations exclude the practical considerations that we generally mention, like the lack of energy to sustain everyone's perfect happiness. In this case, do we prefer the average utility, maximizing the lowest utility, maximizing the maximum utility, or maximizing the sum? Or what about the fact that the experiences that make people happy might be in conflict with each other (for example, people of two different religions might want everyone to believe in their religion only)?
With all that said, everyone who thinks about utilitarianism has a preferred answer to all these questions. And I have too, but I will talk more about it later. With that said, I think every person is a utilitarian in the sense that we all want to maximize utility. People with agentic values want to maximize their own utility; people with social values, too, want to maximize their own utility, but they do so by engaging in a form of social utilitarianism.
Examples
This chapter is completely skippable. Here I will give examples of Phenoutilistic thinking, and my opinions on various subjects. Let’s start with immigration.
So, people who want immigration into their wealthy country see a disadvantaged person, and they welcome them into their country, where they will have a better life. The fact that that makes other people’s lives worse is of no concern, since it is perfectly fine in that case to sacrifice the utility of others for the utility of the person that they actually see suffering as opposed to the utility of people they do not interact with. They just don’t like seeing people suffer, and they want to stop seeing a person suffer. There are people who hold this position, while not wanting any immigrants in their neighborhood. Some call them inconsistent, but I actually think this is a coherent position. Why can’t a person want to not see a specific person suffer and let them into the country, while not wanting them in their backyard? I think this position is hypocritical but not incoherent.
On the other hand, people who support the enforcement of the borders might have a sense of national identity that they see being ruined by immigration, which brings them lower utility than watching someone suffer. Or, for example, they could see their own neighborhood being in a less desirable condition due to immigration, and they extrapolate that to the entire country. And just like the other side, they might have a friend who cannot legally immigrate, and they could be fine with housing them after illegal immigration. This, again, is a hypocritical but consistent position. And, of course, there are many other agentic reasons, like the fact that immigration increases competition and decreases wages, which is bad if you are an employee, and good if you are a business owner.
So, which is the correct position? Depends on you. If you are a rich person who lives in an expensive, gated suburban area, no matter your position, you will not be negatively affected by immigration, but the people in third-world countries are suffering every day. So why wouldn’t you vote for immigration or even run for office on the basis of that position? On the other hand, if you live in an urban area and don’t care about the suffering of people in other countries, there is no reason for you to believe that immigration is good. If you have social values, and your perception of society extends to the entire world, then immigration is good, but if you believe that society is just your country, then you have to weigh the pros of extra cheap labor, with the downsides of extra competition, lower wages, and potential effects of diversity of culture, be they positive or negative in your view.
Abortion is an issue I mentioned previously, and your position depends on what brings you lower utility: the suffering of the mother from an unwanted pregnancy, or the death of potential consciousness and the suffering of the fetus. But beyond that, a lot of people make the argument that abortions decrease reproduction rates. Excluding the irrefutable arguments from experience (God said so), people might genuinely just dislike seeing a fetus die, which is, I think, the second most common argument against abortion. Just like with immigration, there is a place for hypocrisy here as well. Someone could be pro-life, except for when their partner or they get pregnant. I haven’t seen it go the other way, but presumably someone could be pro-choice until they want a child themselves.
There are often gradations within the law on when the fetus can be killed. People base it on when the baby can feel pain or think or whatever, but pro-life proponents often argue that whatever position you take on when the baby can be killed is arbitrary. Why should we spare the baby when it can feel pain? Why not at an earlier or a later stage? This sets up a dichotomy between a baby being a life at conception or at some arbitrarily defined stage, like when it starts to think or move or feel pain, or most commonly when it exits the womb. But of course, people don’t prefer to kill or not kill the baby based on whether it is a life or not; they learn when a baby feels pain, and they think: “What do I like less, the mother going through an unwanted pregnancy or a baby suffering or not being born?”. And based on that decision, they adopt a certain position.
Most pro-choice proponents, unfamiliar with the complexities of the abortion debate, will just argue that a fetus can be killed at any point before it exits the womb. This is often called out as arbitrary by the pro-life proponents. But it, of course, is not. Babies that come out of the womb look a lot like other humans we interact with, at least compared to the ultrasound pictures we see. And for that reason, people often adopt a position of baby murder until the point of birth.
I think one of the most misunderstood political issues of our generation is weapon ownership. Some people see them as necessary to protect themselves against criminals, and the government; some believe that access to them enables criminals to commit crimes, and restrictions on them encourage criminals. When we do studies on gun control, we see a great diversity of results. Some studies show access increases safety, while others show access increases murder rates. We then argue about the validity of studies and their reliability.
But when we look through the lens of phenoutilism, we can understand the cause of such diversity of results. The non-criminal city population benefits greatly from restrictions on gun ownership. We will talk much deeper about the differences between rural and urban populations, but for now, let's assume that for one reason or another, people in the cities have a general value preference of comfort over violence that is much greater than that same preference in the suburbs. Criminals who commit murder or violent crimes would, of course, not be interested in living in places where gun ownership is allowed, encouraged, and omnipresent.
So, for the rural areas, restricting weapon ownership leads to less security because it invites criminals with weapons. At the same time, the cities where gun ownership is already infrequent, and even those that own guns rarely use them, or are unprepared to use them. Any change in gun regulation has barely any effect on law-abiding citizens. The criminals, however, benefit greatly from the decrease in gun ownership regulations.
Finally, a frequently cited argument for a heavily armed citizenry is the threat of a tyrannical government. I actually think this is a valid concern to have, but there are two problems with allowing and promoting armed citizenry on the basis of that. The first problem is, of course, that in many countries, there exist federal entities that have the permission to use force against the citizens of the state. Typically, these entities are used against criminals; in the US, these would be the FBI and the National Guard. If a tyrannical government is a concern, it is very unlikely that a disorganized group of armed, yet untrained citizens, would stand a chance against these organizations.
The other problem with advocating for a citizen-based armed militia is the fact that it can exist even without the citizens having access to weapons. Since each state and district can have its own police force, which any citizen can join, a state already has an organized militia. For example, in the US, there are certain requirements that you have to meet in order to purchase a gun. What if that requirement were instead that you have to be a part of the local police force? Naturally, it would be illegal to use the weapon when you are not on duty, outside of the cases of self-defence. Every state and locality would have a larger police force, and these localities would be able to fend off a tyrannical government much better.
When we are talking about parenting, we are, of course, primarily discussing the issue of indoctrination. The reality is that almost all parents indoctrinate their children. The complete lack of indoctrination would look like putting a baby on a life support system that also maintains their consciousness and cuts them off from all humanity. I personally haven’t seen any person, and especially no parent, advocate for this. Even if parents do not instill moral values into children, they kinda have to to keep them alive. Even the simplest moral propositions, like “eating soap is bad”, are already moral indoctrination. Not to mention the numerous descriptive facts we teach our children about life, like what people are like, how each letter of the alphabet is read, the concepts of the language that you want them to speak, and even the simplest things, like arithmetic and logic laws.
Keep in mind, no matter what kind of indoctrination a parent is doing, they are always trying to shape the child into a person they want them to be, a person, whose characteristics are able to create high utility for the parent, whether a parent is just teaching them how to read, write and critical thinking skills or whether they full on make them a believer in their religion and explain that that is the only true way to live. But I think that there are two general approaches that people take, with regard to parenting.
The first one is the more common one, where the parent wants the child to believe what they believe, both in terms of morality and facts. For example, if the parent is a Christian, then they would teach their child the way of the Bible, make them go to church, and perform other Christian religious rituals. The other way to bring up a child is to make them believe what the parents believe will make the child have a high utility life. For example, the parent could just teach them the language commonly used in their community, mathematics, reading, critical thinking skills, and other useful information, and morality that is beneficial to adopt. This could include highly religious parents hiding their religious views until much later, if such views aren’t common in their society. Some atheist parents also come full circle and teach their kids a religious view they believe is beneficial to adopt.
The path chosen depends on whether a parent draws more utility from their child having shared morality and factual beliefs with them or whether they draw more utility from the high utility of a child’s life. Very often, these two desires overlap, and parents believe that their beliefs will make a child as happy as they can be.
Charity and veganism are some of the most exemplary issues when it comes to Phenoutilism. Here is one famous example when it comes to the issue of charity: Would you save a random infant you see drowning in a lake if it would cost you $50 to replace the shoes that would be permanently damaged in the rescue process? And if so, is it your moral obligation to save the infant? Most people would say yes to both questions. But when one points out that the same amount of money donated to charity has the potential to save more than one life, people claim that it is not in fact their moral obligation to donate everything they own to charity. Why is that? Some say that the reason is distance or how many other people there are who can donate to charity. But after some clever tweaking of the conditions of the hypotheticals, people at least agree that donating to charity is a moral obligation or at least that it is morally virtuous. Something similar happens when we talk about the issue of animal cruelty. Animals really do suffer immensely in the process of factory farming, and people tie themselves in pretzels trying to explain why factory farming is permissible, be it because it is the course of nature, because animals aren’t conscious or don’t feel pain like humans do, or something. But eventually, people either ignore the arguments or do become vegan on the basis of these arguments. And there are certainly people who either donate to charity frequently or perhaps even donate everything they can. And indeed, I believe that it is inconsistent and hypocritical to believe it is immoral to torture animals and eat meat or to believe it is immoral not to help a drowning toddler and not to donate everything you own to charity. But of course, the problem here is that it isn’t immoral to not help a drowning child or to torture animals… because nothing is immoral.
The reason why we believe it is immoral to leave a drowning child but not immoral to not donate everything we own to charity is because… we would do one of those things but not the other. And as you remember, morality is whatever we do, and whatever we do is what’s moral. The question then shifts to why we would help a drowning child or a tortured dog, but that is a question for a neuroscientist and not a philosopher, although the answer, I suspect, is that we see their emotions. And even though a dog and a pig are comparable in their cognitive abilities, one seems more emotional than the other, and so we kill one and not the other, and therefore consider killing one of them to be moral but not the killing of the other. But perhaps people still realize that it is immoral not to give to charity or to eat meat. And yet it does not affect their actions. Because for most people, being moral or logically consistent does not bring as much positive utility as being able to enjoy meat or some other experience that they can spend their money on that they did not donate to charity. That, of course, implies that there are people who donate all their money to charity or people who are vegan. And there are indeed such people for whom it is most important to either be moral or consistent, or at least look like they are. The most famous example of such a person would perhaps be Peter Singer.
Finally, let’s talk about an issue I am perhaps most passionate about - suicide. Believing that free will does not exist would probably change the way people act. But I think for the better. People know that they don’t get out of bed in the morning because they choose to, sure, but now they are able to better identify why they do it. They know they want money, comfort, order, community, achievement, self-expression, or something else, and they know they have to get out of bed to get it. The number of people who suffer from abulia and depression would likely decrease, improving the overall mental health. That said, the suicide rates will most likely increase. That is because some people have finite goals. For example, if you are searching for a constant level of comfort, suicide is the best way to get there. If you search for knowledge and you discover phenoutilism and then learn all the important knowledge to you, then suicide is the best way to learn what lies beyond. If you want a harmonious life, then finding it in death is not too absurd. If you want to promote your ideas or express yourself, then suicide helps immortalize and imprint your ideas, especially among those who see suicide as delinquent behavior. If you discover that morality does not exist and your goal in life is to promote and uphold objective moral norms, then your life is now meaningless, and the best way to forget about the meaninglessness of life is, again, suicide.
That said, suicide is not a great option for the majority of people. The types of people I have described have finite goals, whereas most people have values that are not goals, but instead processes. If someone wants not just acceptable comfort, but a life filled with different physical pleasures and experiences, for them, suicide is not a great option, for example. That is in contrast with the person who just wants some base level of comfort during all their experiences. Similarly, some people want to know as much as they can, have the highest status, be the most well-known person, or even the most virtuous.
Now, why do we believe suicide is “bad”? First of all, the more people there are around us, the easier it is for us to achieve high utility. And obviously societies that generally dislike suicide are more likely to survive, and… here we are. Also, we are socially conditioned to view death as unfavorable, and generally, suicide is linked to the person being mentally deranged or ill. A person who wants to know what happens after they die and commits suicide is most certainly not deranged, but their priorities are so misaligned with the priorities of other people that we just believe there must be something wrong with them, or that they must have lived a horrible, torturous life at the end.
Clearly, through a phenoutilistic lens, we can see that suicide is not only permissible in some cases but also good. How would the normalization of suicide change people and societies, and would that change be for “better” or for “worse”? Well, if we permit and perhaps even encourage suicide, there will most certainly come a short-term population decline. But with it will also come two tremendously beneficial effects to those who are alive. First, and perhaps more obviously, if people who are committing suicide are those who have finite goals, then those who are left will have infinite goals, substantially increasing cooperation, innovation, achievement, and progress. Secondly, if suicide is not stigmatized but encouraged, this will essentially destroy all societies where people are forced into having experiences with negative utility, like those that practice slavery or those societies and nations where the general population is kept poor, suffering, and less free.
There are many more issues that I could discuss in this chapter, but we will stop here. It’s important to remember that there are many things that give us utilities, and we should generally apply our reasoning to make decisions. For example, you could be an elected leader who does not like abortion, but whose constituency suffers from overpopulation, and you allow unlimited abortions, because your constituency is more important to you. Or you could be a business owner who feels for the suffering in third-world countries, and yet chooses to vote to expand immigration because you need cheap labor.
There are many choices like this. I merely wanted to show how and why people can hold such different beliefs as some application of Phenoutilistic thinking. The fact that people can hold such different opinions should not discourage you from fighting for what you believe is right. Most people will never feel the way you feel, and they will never understand your experiences or experience what you have experienced. But there are certain things you can do to have higher and lower utility experiences, and you should (and already do) do whatever gets you there.
Utility Sources
Before we begin this chapter, I want to note that I am certain that Phenoutilism accurately and coherently describes reality, morality, and most other philosophical concepts. In this chapter and further, I want to go beyond “people disagree” and “people have some values” and structure people’s values and give much more specific explanations as to why people hold such different beliefs, where these beliefs come from, and how to settle them. I want to create a sort of science of values. This also makes what I will talk about next possible to prove and disprove with experiments, observations, and statistics. That, in turn, makes me a lot less sure that what I will talk about next is 100% true (or accurate to experiences, if you will). In fact, I am certain that I will get some things wrong and that there probably exists a much better and simpler model that answers the same questions that I will attempt to answer. Additionally, since we are talking about intersubjective topics, I will assume the existence of objective reality, time, and that objective reality is as we perceive it. With that out of the way, let us begin.
From all experiences of all people across time and space, we will select only the utility-giving parts of experiences. Most experiences have multiple of these. You could, for example, eat a tasty banana while reading an interesting book at the same time. We will then group all of these experience parts into sets, which we will call utility sources. Because I am introducing a completely new concept, let us define utility sources as sets of utility-giving parts of experiences. There is an uncountable, nigh infinite number of utility-giving parts of experiences and an even larger number of sets of them. We could group these by year, day, or person, by moment, or by a part of the planet in which the person with these experiences originated or lived. But we will select only 8 of such sets.
So, let’s start looking into the 8 sets created. The first set will be related to the utility of sensory perception. This is the utility you get from perceiving through your usual 5 senses, but obviously, there are others, like the sense of temperature or internal pain. Keep in mind that we are talking only about utility, not information, so while sensing pain is new information, the utility of that sensation is low. We will call this utility source P, for physical reality.
The second utility source is very similar; it is also perception, but this one is not sensory. It is best described as pattern recognition, a sort of instant abductive reasoning. For example, when the greatest mathematicians and scientists make a discovery, they technically perceive new information, but not through their senses, but as an idea, which comes as subconscious thinking. Another example would be inspirations that artists have, dreams, premonitions, and so on, basically any non-physical perceptions, or a subconscious perception that is a result of processing already existing sensory perception. We will call this utility source M for metaphysical reality.
The next two utility sources are basically the creation of the utility sources described above. So, where P is the utility you get from eating tasty food, I - Physical Action is the utility you would get from feeding that food, but much more commonly, this utility is derived from the actions necessary to even perceive at all, like survival, resource accumulation, and procreation, so that these procreated beings can perceive. Death is the ultimate negative “I” utility, not pain. Pain and torture lead to the lowest utility for the P utility source. “I” stands for impulse, acting on which is usually a mark of someone who values it.
Similarly, where M is metaphysical perception, E - is the metaphysical action, or creation of said perceptions. E stands for expression, and indeed, speech and art are the most common experiences that lead to that kind of utility. But thought in general is also what leads to the experience of metaphysical perception. For the Action utility sources, it is important to remember that it is not just the selfish creation of that utility that leads to positive utility, it is also the creation of that utility for others, for example, procreation and physical protection of others for I, and art and public speech for E. Not just resource accumulation and thought for either.
The next two utility sources are also experiences of perception, but this perception is indirect and a result of processing the perceptions. O, or “objective reality”, utility source is the set of experiences tied to learning or structuring information. So, all the information you have learnt using your physical senses and subconscious processing is usually memorized and structured. And that memorization and structure are the source of O-utility. For example, if you eat an apple and you generally find apples to be delicious, you would first derive utility from the deliciousness of apples (P-utility), if this is the first apple you ever ate, you could use your subconscious abductive reasoning to determine that all apples are delicious, whether that determination is true or not, that information will “come” to you and that will be an M-utility experience then finally the actual facts that this apple is tasty and that all apples are likely tasty, which will be O-utility. Even though I am personally not sure if objective reality exists, I will still label it objective reality, since this is the term that other people are more likely to understand. Again, O-utility source is the set of utility-giving parts of experiences related to learning and placement of facts and “objective” information, that is, individual-independent information.
The other one is, as you could have guessed, S, or “subjective reality” utility source. It is also related to perceptions, but not to factual descriptive statements, but to subjective preferences and prescriptive statements. In the example with apples, learning that apples are tasty is an O-utility source, but learning that “you should eat apples” or that you like apples is slightly different. It isn’t about any objective facts, which are individual-independent, but about your own subjective reality. S-experiences can usually be expressed as prescriptive statements, like “X should do Y”. At the same time, O-experiences can be expressed as descriptive statements like “X is Y”. In a way, S is circular. It is a utility source tied to learning about what brings people, including yourself, utility. But of course, people don’t think about prescriptive statements in this way. People don’t say “You should wake up early” and think that this is because waking up early brings you high utility. But it is in fact why we create and keep to prescriptions. Finally, it is important to point out that while statements like “murder is bad” are descriptive, their actual content is prescriptive - “you should not murder”. We just tend to use objective and descriptive language to better convince people that they should and should not perform certain actions. “I don’t like murder” is less convincing than “You should not murder”, which is in turn less convincing than “Murder is bad”, even though all of these statements are equivalent.
Finally, we have the Action values related to O and S values. And they are pretty easy to explain, too. A, or objective action, is a set of utility-giving parts of experiences related to changing what we perceive to be objective reality, like say building the Eiffel Tower, moving a chair, or making a breakthrough in theoretical physics. At the same time, C, or subjective action, is a set of utility-giving parts of experiences related to changing what we or other people like or believe they should do. Most commonly done through communication or some sort of expression. Advertisement is perhaps the most omnipresent example, where ads attempt to make you believe you should buy their product. Finally, here are all 8 values or utility sources that we will work with.
P - Physical Reality
M - Metaphysical Reality
I - Physical Action
E - Metaphysical Action
O - Objective Reality
S - Subjective Reality
A - Objective Action
C - Subjective Action
Before we go into a discussion of the empirically verifiable claims, let us once again mention that there is an uncountable number of utility sources; these are just some 8 of them that I believe are useful to identify. Any given experience part usually has multiple of them, like I showed with the experience of eating an apple: you experience the flavor (P), the learning of what it objectively tastes like (O), what other apples taste like (M), whether you like it or not (S) and you also actually experience the action of eating of the apple (A and I). Finally, in the future, when I mention utility sources or values, I will mean specifically these 8.
Utility and Value
I talk a lot about low and high, positive and negative utility. Even though intuitively it is perhaps obvious what I actually mean by that, I actually think we should define it more clearly. It makes sense, in my opinion, to define the absence of utility as the neutral or zero-state. Then the feeling of absolute bliss as the highest positive state, and the worst imaginable feeling as the lowest negative state. Then all experiences would have utility somewhere in between. This is not a concrete definition, but I think it will enable the reader to understand what I mean when stating that a certain experience has negative, positive, or a low or high utility. When referencing a utility value for a specific utility source, I am actually referencing its contribution to the utility of the entire experience. This concept is incredibly important for what I will discuss next. Since utility sources by definition are utility-giving parts of experience, we can determine the specific utility that we derive only from that utility-giving part of experience. For example if I state that eating an apple has a positive P-utility, I don’t necessarily mean that the entire experience is positive, but that P-related parts of the experience are increasing the overall experience, compared to the experience, were the P-parts of the experience absent, in this example, if the experiencer was not able to perceive taste, the overall experience of the moment would be lower.
With that in mind, every utility source I mentioned has a certain kind of experience associated with it that, if experienced, gives the ultimate negative or positive utility. For example, for A-value (Objective Action), it would be something like complete paralysis as the ultimate negative experience and flawless, instant manifestation as the ultimate positive experience. For I-value, it could be death and infinite wealth, for O it could be complete knowledge or shortened memory. Again, these experiences are only ultimately positive or negative relative to a certain utility source. For example, a soldier who jumps on a grenade to save their squad could have a positive experience in the moment despite the imminence of their death, because they get a positive experience from knowing they are doing the “right” thing or from knowing that they enable others in their squad to win or continue existing. Even though the I-utility is probably negative since they are about to die. For each utility source there exists a range of utility-giving parts of experience that give utilities that range from the absolute lowest to the absolute highest.
It is perhaps obvious that different people can derive different amounts of utility from the same experience, and I believe that it is rooted in the utility sources that the utility-giving parts of the experience belong to. That, of course, implies that different people derive a different kind of utility from the same utility-giving parts of experience, which in turn belong to the same sets - utility sources. In simpler words, different people can value different utility sources. But what does that even mean - to value a utility source? Perhaps it is intuitively obvious, but I think it is important to more precisely identify what valuing a utility source means. Remember that range of utility-giving parts of experiences I was talking about. Let us define the value of the utility source as the difference in utility that we are able to receive between the highest and lowest possible utility giving experience. For example, the difference in utility between being perfectly virtuous and being the worst person alive is the value derived from the S utility source. And if that value is less than the difference between being an immortal, infinitely wealthy being and being dead, then you “value” S more than I. It doesn’t even have to be that you would gain tremendous utility from being an immortal being; perhaps the idea of you dying is just so horrific that the negative utility gained from it would offset any possible utility gains from being virtuous.
Since we have 8 utility sources, I think it is fair to define a state of “valuing” of a utility source by a person as a state in which the value of a utility source is in the top 4 values in the list of all utility source values. So, if utility sources for a person rank in order of their values as PEOCMISA, then they “value” P, E, O, and C and “don’t value” M, I, S, and A. To avoid confusion, let us again list all the terms that we have introduced and their meanings.
Utility sources are sets of utility-giving parts of experience
A person’s value of the utility source is the difference between the utility of the best possible associated experience and the worst possible associated experience, stripped of the utility gained or lost that is associated with other utility sources.
A person “values” a utility source if the value of the utility source ranks among the top 4 values of the utility sources when they are listed in descending order
Utility Source Pairs
With these notions in mind, let me introduce perhaps the key claim: the 8 utility sources that I described are not independent in their value. If you value some of them, you will necessarily value some others more and some others less. More specifically, there are utility source pairs that I believe exist that “scale” together and against some other pair. The pairs are as follows:
P&E vs M&I
O&C vs S&A
For example, if a person values A, they will necessarily value S and not value O and C. And if a person values E, then they will necessarily value P, but not M or I. A more specific example would be if a person values comfort and physical pleasure, they will necessarily value the ability to express oneself, and not value reproduction, survival, and metaphysical values. Of course, when I say “not value”, I mean, it isn’t one of their top 4 values, not that the person is completely indifferent to these utility sources.
That would imply that all people have one of 4 possible sets of values. I will write them down without any separators here:
EPOC
OCIM
IMSA
SAEP
We can then group all people by their set of (top 4) values. So far, there has been a lot of abstraction, definitions, and terminology, but now we can finally get into specifics. Let’s talk about the pairs first, however. It may not be immediately obvious why we would pair the utility sources the way we do. And indeed, this is not a result of some logical thinking or intuition, but instead an observation of mine. Let’s start with E&P vs M&I. E&P pairing can be described as values of well-being and comfort and physical pleasure, and also the value of new ideas, innovation, thought, self-expression, and weirdness in general. That is opposed to the pairing of values M&I - the value of survival, reproduction, life, strength, money, wealth in general, but also metaphysical values, like the spiritual value of a life, a nation, culture, nature, or art.
Perhaps it is obvious how these utility source pairings would arise evolutionarily. In times of prosperity, individuals would be able to dedicate more time and resources to self-expression and the establishment of their comfort. In times of difficulty, they would instead need to focus on strength and survival and on the metaphysical stuff, like “what’s gonna happen after I die?” and to derive meaning in their meaningless death. O&C vs S&A concerns completely different aspects of experience. O&C concerns the structure of the world, such as laws, hierarchies, ranks, and positions within them, labels of people (doctor, manager, director, etc.), but also emotion, drama, communication, debate, and convincing people of a certain position. At the same time, S&A is a combination of utility sources pertaining to morals, virtue, decency, respect, society, but also to achievement, technology, methods, and work. Again, perhaps it is obvious why these are naturally paired. S&A both concern the actions we take, the determination of which ones we should take, and how to take them. O&C concern the reality aspect, what is true, and conveying the truth to others. The four groups of people are defined as simply keeping to a specific option in each dichotomy.
The Four Groups
To recap, we have identified some 8 utility sources and defined the value of a utility source to a human as the difference between the utilities of the worst and the best possible experiences. Then, when we look at the values of the utility sources arranged in descending order, we can observe that the top four values will always be a set from the following four
EPOC
OCIM
IMSA
SAEP
Where letters stand for the following utility sources
P - Physical Reality
M - Metaphysical Reality
I - Physical Action
E - Metaphysical Action
O - Objective Reality
S - Subjective Reality
A - Objective Action
C - Subjective Action
Then we can divide all people into the groups defined by their four values. And now we will discuss what the set of values implies for the people that belong to that group and the societies that are based on the values of these groups. I will use the word group in the contexts where the phrases “value group” and “people group” would fit, but I hope it will be clear what kind of group I mean from the context. We will begin with IMSA.
IMSA
So, IMSA is a group of people in which every member values utility sources I, M, S, and A over E, P, O, and C. Given our previous descriptions of the utility source pairs, we can determine that the people in this group would value life, survival, reproduction, strength, courage, art, and other spiritual and metaphysical values, and also hard work, technology, skill, merit, respect, love, morality, decency, and virtue. That opposed to valuing things like comfort, sex, physical pleasure, thought, intellect, novelty of any kind, but also laws and structure, honesty, emotions, and drama. So, what does that actually entail? Well, first of all, if it wasn’t obvious, these are the values of animals. They value survival by virtue of becoming stronger and better at what they do. Animals don’t care about novelty, pleasure, honesty, drama, and other things described as non-values. In humans, this is best exemplified in the early tribal societies, where people tried to survive, where there was a leader of the tribe, who was usually the strongest, there were rituals tied to the metaphysical, the society was tied together by common morality and not by laws, where introduction of novelty was a potential downside and keeping to the established norms was celebrated instead, unless, of course that novelty lead to the increased survival or reproduction or other experiences that would bring high IMSA-type utility.
At the time of writing, society has evolved, and even though most modern tribes still have IMSA values, most countries, too, are built on IMSA values, which is perhaps unsurprising since you would need at least IM as part of your values to ensure consistent reproduction and prolonged survival. But of course, modern societies do not resemble tribes at all. Well, capitalism is actually a sort of rebranding for the IMSA value set. Families are replaced by businesses; the survival and reproduction of a family is replaced by the survival and financial success of a business. Pattern recognition of the broader market movements helps determine actions that promote the success of the business. Moral values are replaced by internal business laws. To be honest, for the longest time, I thought innovation is an experience that brings A-utility, since it is so valued by modern businesses and since innovation is omnipresent in other IMSA societies throughout history. I am now convinced that it is more like a necessary evil in an IMSA society. For animals, genetic mutations perform the function of innovation, and so there is no need to experiment and try new methods. But for humans, their social evolution, and for social darwinism in general, something else must perform that function of innovation and evolution. This is why we have intellectual property rights, making E-utility into a pseudo-I-utility for the betterment of the capitalist structure.
Most popular religions, like Islam and Judaism, are basically a collection of IMSA values plus a few moral laws that ensure the survival and reproduction of the believers. In an evolutionary sense, it’s not that the religions of Islam and Judaism are reflections of truth, and that is the reason why they are so widespread; it is that they promote IMSA values, and these are so conducive to survival that these religions become widespread. Christianity takes it a step further and detaches the religion from a nation and introduces an OC element, which makes it more appealing to people with OC values and to people who aren’t Jewish.
In a sense, IMSA values are the most natural, which doesn’t mean good, of course. But there are people that see the metaphysical value in the fact that these are natural values. This might lead them to believe that social Darwinism and eugenics are somehow moral. Speaking of morality, people with IMSA values, despite having S in the set of their values, have trouble defending their views as moral in the Western world. In the Western world, people generally have EP values as opposed to IM, so any set of values that explicitly focuses on strength, reproduction, spirituality, resource accumulation, and wealth will be frowned upon and seen as immoral. This will, of course, imply social dominance of the SAEP values, which is in fact present.
OCIM
But let us now turn our attention to the OCIM group, which would include people who value life, survival, reproduction, strength, courage, art, and other spiritual and metaphysical values, just like IMSA, but unlike them, OCIM people value drama, emotions, structures, hierarchies, and truth. Where the IMSA society looks like the US until the 2000s, OCIM societies are pretty much all major countries and nations until the US came along. In the modern world, plenty of African countries and major authoritarian countries have an OCIM structure, like Russia, China, and Iran. Also, almost every army is a smaller OCIM-structured society. But what does an OCIM structure entail?
Usually, an OCIM society is very hierarchical, with multiple ranks and positions within, and a leader at the top of that hierarchy. Since an OCIM society largely doesn’t care about morality or hard work, the goals of the society are defined by that leader and everybody works, not for the sake of it, like people do in the IMSA society, but for their advancement in the hierarchy of the society and the tasks are set by the superiors of the member, which makes this society very well-suited for an achievement of a certain goal, and the reason why armies use these hierarchical structures. C-value usually presents itself in celebrations and parades that not only are an emotional display but are also supposed to be a metaphysical representation of the strength of the nation. Of course, the idea of a nation is metaphysical in itself; it is usually personified and given meaning and significance. Whereas the I-part of IMSA is quite individualistic, that is, every member is given the chance to accumulate wealth and develop strength, the I-part of OCIM refers to the society as a whole, which is as strong as its leader.
I think this is a good time to talk about the utilitarianism part of the four groups. One of the most challenging questions that I posed before talking about utility sources was about determining the “right” kind of utilitarianism that we should use. There, I mentioned that there are so many different kinds of utilitarianism that we can use to measure the utility of a society. But I overblew how complicated the issue is. In reality, the members of each of the four groups have a different intuition for what kind of utilitarianism should be used. For example, the IMSA group we just talked about contains members who are cross-temporal sum-utilitarians, that is, for each moment in time, society should perform actions that lead to the maximum combined utility across all future moments in time. Therefore, new lives that can have experiences are encouraged, death is greatly discouraged, and the suffering of one member is justified if it benefits other members more. In addition, a society consisting of a million people with a utility of 1 is considered better than a society of 100 people with a utility of 100. People from other value groups might have a different intuition. The intuitions of the members of the OCIM society are almost never brought up in a conversation about utilitarianism, which to me makes these intuitions so interesting.
Where IMSA society is a sum-utilitarian society, the OCIM society is a maximum-utilitarian society. That is, it tries to maximize the utility of the happiest individual. If that sounds ridiculous to you, I will note that usually that individual is referred to as God or Supreme Leader. Keep in mind that OCIM-valuing people do not value thought or morality, so thinking about what to do is a low-utility experience for them. Maximum utilitarianism is very easy to implement and very easy to keep to. You try to maximize the experiences of your superior, and they try to maximize the experiences of their superior, and so on; no need to think about the common good or about what to do, the system takes care of itself. Unfortunately these advantages of authoritarian and totalitarian society are not talked about enough, and that wouldn’t be an issue (especially since I happen not to like authoritarian societies), but there are so many unhappy people living in western civilizations that do not want to think about what to do and joining the military is the best thing they can do for themselves, but the arguments to do that are anything but the actual advantages of the system that I described above. People are brought into the military with enticing offers of financial benefits, free college, or the ability to protect the country, which are all desirable, but not as much as the psychological benefits of being a part of a totalitarian system.
We will talk about other types of utilitarianism as we talk about other value groups, but what about the actual people who have the OCIM values? So, the first thing that comes to mind for me when talking about OCIM people is the desire for conflict. Since most philosophers and thinkers, almost by definition, will have EP as their values instead of IM, the idea that people can just enjoy being in turbulent and dangerous situations just for the sake of it seems absurd to them. And yet, of course, that desire for conflict was omnipresent in our ancestors as it helped them survive. IMSA people, too, have that desire for conflict, but their conflict is just them against the world, so it seems more natural than the conflict that OCIM people engage in. Their’s is more artificial, the small drama at school or workplace or in a friend group, the point of this drama is that it has to be filled with emotions, usually with some twists and unexpected outcomes, whereas the IMSA conflicts are mostly about relationships and feelings between people, and these do not necessarily have to be emotional. This is one of the reasons why the world peace idea, while so appealing to modern leaders and philosophers, will actually not bring as much positive utility to the world as the idea of peace within a nation and the existence of a foreign adversary, which is the state of being, promoted by these authoritarian countries, and why in the western world the search for that adversary is becoming more and more common.
SAEP
Now, let’s look at the SAEP value group. People with the SAEP values will have values such as comfort, pleasure, sex, intellect, novelty, expression, morality, community, hard work, and skill. This set of values is perhaps the most prevalent in the West, especially among the employees of large companies. This is because the companies need skilled workers, but not workers that would want money. So naturally, that lands them with the SAEP people. The companies simply have to make sure that the workplace is comfortable and allows for self-expression, and they can cut down on the labor costs. Then the diversity programs are not just for PR; they are very important in cutting down the cost of labor. This group of people, despite sharing the SA values with IMSA, generally dislikes the capitalist ideas. The thing is, SAEP people like to work for the sake of it or to provide some minimum level of comfort, whereas IMSA people like to work to provide as much wealth as possible to themselves and people they feel morally obligated to provide for. And so when IMSA people project their values onto others, they end up believing that people are naturally greedy and want money, but when SAEP people project their values onto others, they believe that most people are inherently “good” and can work for the betterment of others and everyone who doesn’t hold such beliefs is a “bad person” and we can implement laws that would restrict such people from participating in society.
Even though SAEP and OCIM value groups don’t have any utility sources as values in common, both share the desire for authoritarianism. Where OCIM authoritarianism is O-based, that is, they believe that there is a structure of the world, and that there is some entity on top of that structure, and everyone else has some position within that hierarchy, and there are better or worse people based on that position. In essence, OCIM authoritarianism is descriptive authoritarianism; it is based on some “objective” facts about reality. SAEP authoritarianism is instead prescriptive. You are a better person if you are a more moral person, that is, if you do what you are supposed to, if you abide by the social norms. Although, of course, the SAEP authoritarians wouldn’t put it like that, they believe that there is an objective good and bad, and of course, you are a better person if you stick to what is “objectively good” and don’t do what is “objectively bad”. Now, what’s interesting is that because MI are not SAEP values, the punishment cannot be physical; indeed, any physical harm is seen as objectively bad. So what is the punishment in a SAEP society for being a bad person? The mirror of I is E (physical action vs metaphysical action). In some way or another, the punished person is prevented from expressing themselves. This is seen as a severe punishment since the ability to express oneself is seen as inherently very valuable by SAEP people. Indeed, the 1st amendment to the US Constitution, which protects freedom of speech, is one of, if not the, biggest hurdle for the American left-wing, which is largely comprised of the SAEP and EPOC people.
I mentioned that every value group is associated with its own kind of utilitarianism. For IMSA, it is the sum-utilitarianism, for OCIM, it is the maximum-utilitarianism, and for SAEP, it is the minimum-utilitarianism. The name implies that we are trying to maximize not the combined utility, not the utility of the happiest being, but the utility of the unhappiest being. At any given moment, the goal of a minimum-utilitarian is to make the unhappiest being as happy as possible, even if it results in the overall, or sum of utility, being marginally lower. Hence, such disdain for the billionaires and the rich in general, and such compassion for the people living in poverty, or the sick, or the disabled. The utility of their experiences is prioritized, and the utility of the already happy beings is ignored. Economically, that would imply not the fixed percentage taxation or even the increasing percentage taxation, but the “to the level” taxation, where everyone's incomes are summed up and then divided equally among all people, thus increasing the minimum income to the highest possible level. The more sophisticated minimum utilitarian might realize that the utility generated from the capitalism-based economy is really vast and that the capitalism-based economy is contingent on the absence of higher taxes for businesses.
EPOC
Finally, we have the EPOC group, which is comprised of people that value comfort, pleasure, sex, intellect, novelty, expression, just like SAEP, but unlike them, they value order, structure, truth, fairness, emotions, drama, and status. Where we can point to examples of civilizations that embodied OCIM and IMSA values and look at the rise of SAEP-style globalism, EPOC values generally do not serve as the basis for civilizations. Civilizations either need an IM component (borders, capital, the feeling of a nation, history) or an SA component (achievement, common values, morals, laws). EPOC value set contains none of those, but indeed, there is another obstacle that people with this value set face when attempting to create a civilization. If it is true that we live in a material world, there needs to be a reason to create material wealth for the survival of any created civilization. IMSA and SAEP people find that reason in their love for work and moral values that encourage them to create wealth, OCIM and IMSA people find that reason in their love for said wealth and in the love for the creation of that wealth. The best reason that EPOC people have to create wealth for at least themselves is to establish a comfortable existence, which doesn’t require a lot of wealth. In conclusion, EPOC values are not conducive to the creation of large civilizations. But we still can find examples of EPOC civilizations. One example that comes to mind is the polis of Ancient Greece. Most philosophers were (and are) EPOC people because you need to think (E) about descriptive statements (O) to be a philosopher. And there is no doubt that Ancient Greece produced plenty of philosophers. So, how did they circumvent the need to create wealth? Slavery. Slavery allows EPOC and SAEP to draw EP utility without worrying about wealth generation. Another example is the Axiom ship from Wall-E, where robots performed the function of slaves.
Both EPOC and SAEP societies are devoid of IM values, so you would expect them to be vulnerable to external physical threats, and indeed they are. People generally like to project their values onto others, but where SAEP people at least recognize the existence of people with values different from their own, the so-called “evil” or “bad” people, EPOC people really live in complete naivety and confidence that everyone is like them, they just lack some knowledge (O), and only if these misinformed people knew about some objective facts, they would change the way they act. But what do EPOC people like? Well, I have mentioned philosophy, as the thinking about the descriptive facts about the world. But that would describe not only philosophy, but also research in general. Indeed, if I had to guess, I would say that about 90% of all inventions and ideas are of EPOC origin. And even the US, which has had an IMSA majority population, was founded on EPOC values by EPOC people. We can see that not too much attention is given to the moral foundations of the country, and a lot of attention is given to the actual structure of the government and the positions and responsibilities within that government.
The C-component of EPOC would imply that people like emotions and communication, but where in the OCIM this usually takes a form of conflict, drama, and parades, here, the conflict will be in the form of discussions and debates. And the celebrations in the form of cozy family dinners which will no doubt still be emotionally charged. Drama takes a more overtly fake and playful tone. Queer people are overrepresented among EPOC and SAEP people, because of the high value of self-expression and also because of the lack of value of IM, which are tied to the value of reproduction and the metaphysical meaning of gender, sex, and marriage. But between EPOC and SAEP people, EPOC are usually the pioneers of a queer status, and SAEP people then adopt them if they see that such a status is socially acceptable and perhaps even socially advantageous. On the other hand, SAEP people care a lot less about the definitions and “objective” truth, so it is far easier for them to adopt novel descriptive ideas, redefinitions in language, new terms, etc., that are pioneered by the EPOC queer people.
I mentioned numerous times that the EP values are on the rise in the West, but I think that there is a substantial difference between the interpretation of the left-wing moral norms between EPOC and SAEP people. As I mentioned, SAEP people genuinely see their political opponents as evil and inferior, plus they actually do have a more practical vision for their ideas in globalism, whereas EPOC people are a lot softer, and just want “fairness”, with no concrete ideas for their vision. Indeed, I mentioned that EPOC is responsible for most inventions, but their ideas are often abstract, and someone else has to implement them. But I think in general in our current political climate, EP are the values of the left and IM are the values of the right, where IMSA and EPOC would be closer to the center and SAEP and OCIM would be further left and right, respectively, due to their more absolutist nature. EPOC and IMSA, despite not having any values in common, are value groups more conducive to a horizontal structure of society, where people are equal and are able to grow in EP and IM direction indefinitely, but have to comply with the same O or S norms. At the same time, SAEP and OCIM societies are a lot more vertical, where people are free and encouraged to change their objective and moral status, but cannot develop as much in terms of E and I. In the OCIM society, people have to give up their wealth to the richest, and in the SAEP society, people give their wealth to the poorest, and their ability to express themselves is limited by the objective and moral norms, respectively, although that ability, of course, is greater in the SAEP society. I actually have a theory that we are all born with EPOC values, we are not yet aware of any moral norms, but are learning about what the world is, not what we should be doing, and the preference for comfort and self-expression over preference for wealth or survival or the metaphysical is clear, since we do not have any concept of these things, beyond our instincts.
But what about the EPOC utilitarianism? For the longest time, I have believed that they would be average utilitarians since this is not a niche occupied by either of the other three groups of people and clearly a large chunk of utilitarians are average utilitarians. But I actually don’t think anyone is an average utilitarian, I think that people who proclaim themselves to be average utilitarians are actually either minimum utilitarians (SAEP) or EPOC people, who are… (drum roll) minimum deviation utilitarians. As the name suggests, minimum deviation utilitarians are those who want to minimize the difference between the most and the least happy person. In practice, it may seem very similar to a minimum utilitarian, but let’s look at an example of a society that would be considered ideal by a minimum utilitarian and not ideal by a minimum deviation utilitarian. Suppose we have a capitalist society with massive redistributions, but we unfortunately have to not tax the business people as much as we would like, so that the businesses can compete and generate wealth. The unhappiest person is still decently happy, in fact, they are as happy as they can be. If we take even a little bit more wealth from the business owners, then competition and motivation would not be sufficient to produce enough wealth to keep the least happy person as satisfied. Say in this society, 99% of people have 10 units of happiness, and the business owners have 2000 units of happiness. This society would indeed be maximally preferable to the SAEP person, but an EPOC person would instead prefer a society where all humans have 8-9 units of happiness each, where perhaps somewhat happy members of government create a monopoly on all products, and everybody works just enough to sustain themselves and those who are not able to work.
Typology
With all four value groups and the four groups of people with these values covered, we can begin to talk about how various social issues map onto these values, but before we go there, let’s go a level deeper. See, every value group has four subgroups of people, representative of each value. For example, the OCIM group would have someone who, above all else, values O-utility, someone who values C-utility, I-utility, and M-utility. And, of course, someone who values O-utility who has OCIM values will behave differently from a person who values O-utility but has EPOC values. So, that would give us 16 different types of people, and perhaps we could dig even deeper and subdivide that into more groups, but judging by the success of multiple 16-type typologies, we will stop here. To shorten the writing and for ease of communication, let us define all types by their top value and another value that is not in the same value pair or on the same side of the reality-action dichotomy. So, for example P-representative from the SAEP group will be defined as PA. Not PE, because E is in the same value pair (and would be no different from the P-representative of EPOC), and not PS (because P and S are on the same side of the reality-action dichotomy (physical reality and subjective reality)). But to be honest, in my head, I never refer to the types by letters; I assign numbers to them, but for readers’ sake, I will use both notations in the future together, for example, “5 (CM)”. So here are all the types with their numbers.
1 (EO); E-representative of EPOC
2 (PC); P-representative of EPOC
3 (CP); C-representative of EPOC
4 (OE); O-representative of EPOC
5 (CM); C-representative of OCIM
6 (OI); O-representative of OCIM
7 (IO); I-representative of OCIM
8 (MC); M-representative of OCIM
9 (IS); I-representative of IMSA
10 (MA); M-representative of IMSA
11 (AM); A-representative of IMSA
12 (SI); S-representative of IMSA
13 (AP); A-representative of SAEP
14 (SE); S-representative of SAEP
15 (ES); E-representative of SAEP
16 (PA); P-representative of SAEP
To be clear, I am not willing to die on the typology hill. No typology I am aware of has passed a sufficient amount of empirical tests, but I think that this is because typologies are usually interpreted as “your type determines your behavior”, whereas I think it is actually the other way around, “your behavior determines your type”. And your prior behavior is a good predictor of your future behavior. Phenoutilitstic typology, does, in my experience, have predictive capabilities, but I want to focus on the descriptive capabilities. For example, instead of saying “I met a greedy person who generally uses their understanding of social rules and norms to take advantage of others and enrich themselves,” I could say “I met a 9 (IS)”. This descriptive capability will help me in the last chapter to discuss the numerous social issues. But perhaps in an underhanded way, even if I am wrong about the typology aspect, the shift to the usage of types would encourage people to recognize the differences in each other and make better decisions for themselves and for the people around them, and as a utilitarian, this would certainly bring me high utility.
1 (EO)
For 1s, the most important thing is to be noticed, remembered, and to grab attention for themselves. They like to think and produce new information, most commonly about how to structure the existing facts and information into systems. Almost all inventions, old and modern, are made by 1s. They can process information very quickly, which is what most people would subconsciously define as smart. By that logic, 1s and 15s would be the smartest types. Even though 1s are usually great at recognizing patterns and building new ideas off of them, they do not assign significance to the patterns, history, the supernatural, etc. Consequently, they do not like planning. Because they would rather persist metaphysically, they are not afraid of death, willing to sacrifice their life, if that brings them attention. For the same reason, they are indifferent to amassing resources and money.
1s like good food and sex. That, combined with a search for attention and the ability to abstract away the moral norms, makes them proponents of queer values who are often queer themselves, even if it is just bisexuality. Sometimes their desire to eat a lot can make them quite large, but sometimes the search for attention and the ability to quickly process information can make them great athletes, but only if that makes them at least relatively famous. They can discuss food, massage, and sex, and actively engage in them, but their physical sensation is not great, so sometimes they go too far and have physical displeasure. Very often, they watch pornography. Almost all transgender people are 1s, unfortunately, even though they are well aware of the physical displeasure it often causes, metaphysical action is more important to them, and so they don’t believe they made the wrong choice in transitioning (because they didn’t, they chose the more important desire as all of us do). However, there are, of course, detransitioners who thought a step ahead and achieved both physical pleasure and grabbed attention for themselves.
1s believe that the world has a certain definite and coherent structure. The truth is more important to them than purpose, so 1s are then amoral, and since being amoral is a great way to grab attention, they try to show it off by making outrageous claims, backed by science, even if the science they reference is highly theoretical. They would rather follow the laws as opposed to moral principles. They like video games (or any kind of games really), because they understand the rules and think fast. Usually, they play games that nobody plays (to grab attention), social/competitive games where their success translates to their fame, or creative games where they can artistically express themselves. Excellent chess players. Because they do not care for morals, statements like “I like you” or “You are a good person” are meaningless to them; they do not know how to respond to them. This usually results in a lack of romantic relationships. Boys say girls are cows, girls say men are pigs. You can perhaps see why 1s would like pornography so much then.
1s are usually loud and emotional (to grab attention). They love debates, love to prove their point, and often play devil’s advocate (because that helps them grab attention). Usually, they communicate about food, but also they talk about their ideas; they think the more they talk about them, the better, even if the two successive ideas they talk about directly contradict each other. To achieve their goals, they would prefer yapping over doing something. However, because of poor physical sensation, they can physically work a lot, but they cannot recall exactly what it was that they did. When debating, the goal for them is to change your mind, not to change how you behave. For example, if they believe in God (a rarity by the way) and they try to explain to you the positive effects on mental health and society (arguments meaningless to 1s themselves, obviously), suppose you agreed with their premises. Then you say, “God does not exist, but I will act as though he does”. This will leave 1s in tears, because they did not convince you, even if you truly will act differently. On the other hand, if they want to convince you that animal cruelty is bad and you agree, but say that you like to eat meat, so you will not become a vegetarian, that is fine for 1s, they convinced you of their truth, and that’s what matters.
2 (PC)
2s are as hedonistic as it gets; they like physical pleasure and will do anything for it. Usually, they dream of a luxurious life, where they are immensely rich, but it is not the money or things that are important to them; it is physical experiences, the ability to try food from different cultures, to have a comfortable bed, and daily sex. Very often, they are out of shape, even at a younger age, but unlike 1s, who eat whatever they see, 2s eat what they like. They often know how to cook and cook delicious food, but if they have easy access to delicious food, then they might not be able to do that.
2s want to be remembered for something, want to show their creativity. Many turn to content creation these days, but the only platform where they are successful is OF, because their creative thinking is practically non-existent. For that reason, they like people who are creative or plain weird. They believe that by associating themselves with such people, they express their uniqueness. 2s don’t just want identical pleasurable experiences; they need diversity. They want to try food from different countries, sleep on many different mattresses. Even the unpleasant experiences, like getting a tattoo or a nose piercing, might be agreed upon, especially if that makes them stand out in a crowd. But the easiest way is probably just to dye your hair.
2s are not smart or logical, so how do they plan on getting the luxurious life they rightly deserve? Well, they try their best to convince people to provide for them, most often by way of emotional displays of pleasure/displeasure. They know that a good way to convince people to do something for them is to achieve high status, and so they usually want to become a doctor™, a manager™, a queen™, and such. Despite what people might think, they know how to use their status; usually, they say something like “Don’t you know I’m a Senior Marketing Director™?”. Speaking of marketing, they are usually quite good at advertising themselves, other people, and products. Not like 3s (CP) or anything, but still pretty good.
Generally speaking, 2s don’t care about morality. They do not believe that they have any obligations or shoulds, but to uphold their status, they do not have any issues acting as though they are moral. They usually strive towards knowledge, enjoy learning about objective reality. But just as much, they hate learning new techniques, methods, and algorithms. Very often, when tasked with doing something they haven’t done before, they need help. And the help they need is not the explanations or directions, but you have to do something for them. Alternatively, you can explain how something works, like the structure of some system, and then they can intuit how to proceed. For example, if a 2 struggles with function integration (calculus), you can explain what a derivative is, what an antiderivative is, why the derivative rules are the way they are, and so on. It will be a lengthy explanation, but one that 2s will be able to successfully apply. Famously, the best system to explain reality is astrology, and 2s wholeheartedly believe it.
3 (CP)
One might reasonably ask: How can your most important desire be yapping? What are you even yapping about? Well, for 3s the answer is quite obvious. Convincing the people to take on the same emotional state that they currently have. If 3s are happy for whatever reason, and you are sad, then they will try to make you happy. If you are happy and your friend 3 had a bad dinner, you'd better run away. Usually, 3s are excellent at changing people’s minds and advertising, be it advertising products, themselves, or others. Imagine a trader in a Middle Eastern market, and you have imagined a 3. In all seriousness, I truly believe that C is the most overpowered ability you can have. Being able to convince others of your beliefs and morals is an incredible skill. A lot of politicians obviously benefit from it greatly, to the point where I would say we here in the US do not live in a democracy but in a C-ocracy.
Alternatively, they can talk about what they think the world is. Usually, they have some system by which they operate, something like astrology or Christianity, but astrology is better since it is not as metaphysical. (Jokes about astrology are just beginning, brace). Just like 2s (PC), they care about their status in society, but arguably even more so, because it is hard to take someone seriously if they are constantly yapping, so first stating that they are a director™ and then yapping helps. When in a new company or around people who do not care/know about status, they usually make a mega-serious face (Think Kamala). Usually, that desire for status, along with exceptional communication skills, helps them achieve great things, and they do, in fact, achieve some sort of position with higher pay. They spend money on physical pleasure and a higher status.
3s believe that the primary cause for emotions is physical pleasure, so when you are sad, they will try to cheer you up with food, for example (if 3s themselves are happy, that is). They want to make their life physically pleasant, so usually they eat a lot, especially when they are sad for whatever reason. As you might expect, that makes them physically large, but I wouldn’t say that they suffer from it psychologically, and usually, there are no adverse health effects. There is one matter that is quite hard for me to joke about when it relates to 3s, and that is how many single mothers there are among them. The desire to be a part of the system drives them to get married and/or have lots of sex, and they like children, so usually they go through with the pregnancy. Unfortunately, people who want sex, mostly aren’t going to be there for the children, like 3s will.
They like to say things that sound smart and profound but do not make sense in reality (again, think about the significance of the passage of time). They like weird and smart people (same difference) and want to be like them, and their love for learning usually helps them quite a bit, but they don’t understand the information they acquire. But when called out on it, they don’t mind learning a bit more. The idea of fairness and equality is one that is very appealing to them, usually 3s believe in some sort of karma and that good deeds are rewarded and bad deeds are punished. Perhaps that is what drives them to become judges, and if I had to guess, at least half of all judges in the world have to be 3s.
4 (OE)
4s usually believe they have a good understanding of objective reality, and not without reason. Even if they believe that Earth began existing 6000 years ago or some such, they have a well-argued position about every phenomenon that explains and disproves their worldview. They might seem stubborn in the defence of their position, but they do listen to the attacks on it and learn from them. For that reason, they enjoy debating their position, but unlike 1s, they do not like to play devil’s advocate, although they can, of course. Usually, their actions are guided by the sense of what’s objectively correct; that sense in turn produces robust, coherent laws. And about how most 4s go from an “is” to an “ought”, we will talk in another section
4s like to argue to obtain knowledge; they like to listen to podcasts, read books, etc. They also like to talk to an audience, but their speech is more of a stream of information, with an accent on important words. Usually, it is quite unemotional, even though they try to be. They don’t have any problems conveying their beliefs, but convincing others of them is almost impossible, and they want everyone to believe the same thing. For some reason, using a 3 (CP) or a 5 (CM) for the purpose of conveying their thoughts is an idea that just does not come to their mind, even though they like it when other people produce emotions. For that same reason, they like music, like to talk about music, and usually listen to something unorthodox. If you want to convince them to do something, tell them it will be fun. Frequently, 4s use psychedelics.
When constructing legal systems, the main focus is placed on guaranteeing the ability of the individual to create and be free. Other EPOC values are included too, like free speech, pursuit of happiness, truth, and physical reality. The structure enforcement is the exclusion of its violators. The actual survival of the society for which they design laws is not considered. That is because they don't care about their survival; the truth is much more important to them than money and resources, or how they look or smell (which is generally important for mating in animals). This results in them looking nerdy and scrawny, but again, they do not care. Their instincts are dampened as well; they are quite fearless and have a slow reaction time. But for some reason, they play rhythm games quite well. These skills also help them in chess, but unlike 1s, who try to create a unique position that only they will understand, 4s study openings and positions very deeply and try to force them.
4s like physical pleasure, but not quite to the same extent as 1s (EO), 2s (PC), or 3s (CP). They can be quite slim. The alternative is that they look like teddy bears, especially with their love for hoodies and sweaters. Usually, they take care of their health and value it, but not religiously like 11s (AM). Can go to the gym, eat veggies, etc. Usually, they have at least some cooking skills, and more commonly, they are quite good at cooking. Sometimes they are queer, but it never involves something that would cause physical displeasure. I think almost all online furry impersonators must be 4s, based on their language, but only those who capitalize their words. Those who don't are probably 14s (SE).
5 (CM)
Like 3s (CP), 5s want to impose their emotion onto others, but the desire for Metaphysical Reality and Physical Action utilities makes that imposition take a different form. 5s creates drama. They like conflicts, pranks, and the like. Something that produces strong, real, instinctive emotions. They try to involve everyone they can in their conflicts. Sometimes the absence of a conflict is a conflict in itself. Both men and women like to create problems out of nothing to satisfy that desire. Politically, they will always align themselves with the side that they perceive to be “the resistance”. As I mentioned, C is probably the most overpowered ability and, combined with M, makes 5s incredibly skilled public speakers, think Obama or Hitler.
5s are looking for some sort of robust system of beliefs; they, despite their love for conflicts, are looking for a stable relationship, where they know their status (girlfriend/husband, for example). They want society to be hierarchically structured, where they can use their communication skills to ascend said hierarchy. Even though they gossip among their friends about how controlling their partner is, they like it because it shows them that their partner accepts them as a part of their (partner’s) system. The best structure that explains reality is astrology, and 5s too, believe in it.
When I said that 5s actively look for conflicts, I was somewhat misleading. In reality, they see minute issues, and their pattern recognition does the rest for them. They highly value symbolism and history. If you gave them red roses instead of yellow, that means something. If you are 1.5 minutes early for a date, that means something, usually something bad, because otherwise, how would 5s create conflicts? Such behavior we usually call romantic; romantic acts bring us metaphysical pleasure, hence the connection to M-utility. That vision for metaphysical utility helps them in their speeches; they know what brings them that utility and are able to deliver something similar to others.
Again, the existence of a fight, a conflict is very important to 5s. 5s believe the survival of a society should be one of its most important values. They have dampened sensory experiences; they can’t taste or smell very well, for that reason, they prefer spicy food. Also, for that reason, they like… umm… rough sex and masochism. That dampened sensory experience allows them to train their body to its limit, and 5s do like to look good. That ability to train the body in turn can make them great athletes (Ronaldo, LeBron). But where 1s (EO) and 15s (ES) become athletes for fame, 7s (IO) and 9s (IS) do so to punch someone in the face, 5s do it for the emotions from the sport, for the feeling of competition.
6 (OI)
Like 4s, 6s have their own understanding of the world, but because 6s don’t like to think, that understanding is usually very primitive. Something like “One God”, “One Party”, “Bible is the only truth”, and everything else follows from it. There are 6s who instead accept a materialist premise and build their understanding from there, but for that, they need to be raised in a materialist community/family. If a 6 believes something, it is almost impossible to change their mind. That makes them very biased, not in a bad or a good way, just that they see everything through their set of beliefs. If they are materialists, then the second coming of Jesus will not change their minds. Nowadays, they can just join a large corporation (or a church), understand its inner workings, and move up the hierarchical ladder. Usually, that leads to a boring life, sterile in the physical and emotional sense. Unfortunately, there is something they like almost as much as structuring their lives.
Naturally, 6s like talking and arguing, but because they don’t like to think, it is quite tough for them to debate when presented with new arguments or theories. Emotional communication is perhaps most important for them. They need emotions like air, and without an external stimulant, they will live a stable and uneventful life, moving up the career ladder, making lots of money, and living a comfortable life. And who wants that?! So when someone like a 5 (CM), 3 (CP), or an 8 (MC) shows up and drags them into some sort of local dispute, they become ecstatic, they finally “see life for what it is”. Even in a stable relationship, they try to pick a pseudofight with their partner, poke them, tickle them, anything to produce an emotion. Their desire to control their partner, to have knowledge of where they are and what they are doing at all times, helps them with that quite a bit. In sex, they are sadistic, enjoy physically hurting their partner. The sad part is that it can and often is used against them by 5s (CM) and 8s (MC) who love that sort of stuff, due to their lack of sensation. Nowadays, the issue of consent is well-known enough to make 6s ask for a written consent.
6s like money, they like to look good, and usually they use their resources in pursuit of knowledge or to move up the hierarchy. They believe that the survival of society should be one of its founding principles, along with its strength. The basis for all OCIM societies: create a structure and force others to integrate into it. 6s don’t like to think, so their ideas are usually someone else’s ideas. At the same time, they are deathly afraid of someone calling them out on being wrong or dumb. High pain tolerance, sometimes they don’t even notice that they’re hurt, but they do draw pleasure from hurting others, not for the sake of it, but for emotions. They care too much about the law, though, and about not being labeled as a criminal, so they don’t do that. Unless, of course, they have an established relationship, they usually are abusive and controlling, and it is not so easy to find people who would share 6s’ idea of a relationship (although they exist, of course).
Almost always religious. There are exceptions, like, for example, Jordan Peterson, but even he is clearly interested in Christianity beyond just the historical events and believes in the symbolism in the Bible. I mentioned how 1s like to say things that seem outrageous to others, because it helps them grab attention. 6s also like to say stuff that makes no sense, but they do it to cause others' emotions. The other difference will be in the kinds of things they talk about. 6s usually talk about conspiracies, the supernatural, paranormal, religion, things like that. Quite often, you can meet 6s who understand that symbols and perceived patterns are nothing more than mere coincidences, and they build their understanding without them. Even then, if a stranger tells them that they need to spit over their shoulder or a curse will fall upon them, they will, “just in case, who knows, it could be true”. Almost all leaders of countries that are 6s use either religion or history, or both, to motivate the citizens or to justify their actions. And of course, they also create rituals/holidays, preferably emotionally charged, that are based on history or some supernatural cause.
7 (IO)
7s are always looking for a fight, some sort of physical altercation; they want to test their physical skills. In our day and age, there aren’t that many ways to do it. You can become an athlete, a criminal, or join the army. Becoming an athlete means you have to take care of your health and body, which 7s don’t really care for. Becoming a criminal means the lack of any structure that they thrive in, but it usually pays more than joining the army. However, joining the army means you can potentially kill people, and that really draws 7s in. Because 7s comprise the majority of most military forces, they are perhaps the most crucial type to the existence of any country. They don’t really care about their health, but because they want to look good and be physically strong, they have to be fit. Even then, they would smoke, drink because they don’t think this affects the way they look. Very high pain threshold, and usually they have a few stitches and scars on their bodies (not even kidding). They are not very smart, and for that reason, do not like arguments, but if you drag them into one, they will fight to the death, sometimes even physically. They believe survival is paramount, and they understand it more than anybody around them. That makes them think that they are more rational than others. They almost always have children even at a young age, because they like sex. Not for the pleasure of it, but instinctively. Obviously sadistic throughout.
They value symbolism, history, and often go to the seers, soothsayers, sages, etc. They believe in the afterlife, souls, and ghosts. That makes for a very funny combination. Imagine a drug lord who routinely kills people, with like 3 golden crosses on his chest, because if he doesn’t believe in our lord and savior, then he’s definitely going to hell. I also suspect that, since they want to survive for as long as possible, belief in the afterlife specifically is more important to them than the desire to go to heaven specifically, but then why would drug lords wear crosses? Even though they are often religious, they absolutely do not care about the moral norms that religion says people should follow. To them, their survival is much, much more important than some words in a book. Almost always, they do drugs, unless, of course, they are athletes, because then you don’t get to punch people and make money from it. Their belief in symbolism makes them romantic; they give flowers, write letters, etc.
They know the law very well, and when weighing paying a fine or going to jail against the displeasure of not punching someone in the face, they quite often choose the former. Later, they regret that choice because being in jail, even for a day, carries with it the label of being a criminal, and that is not good, because it means something (symbolism). But by that point, going to jail for another day is not as impactful, and the punching spree continues. The love for money, understanding of structures and laws, makes 7s great businessmen/women. Even if they are not business people, they can work a lot and usually find a niche that pays well and requires little work; security is their dream job. It might surprise you that they don’t want to work, given how much they like fighting, but they think “why would I spend my precious energy on this, what if I need to fight someone later” not literally, but that is a sort of instinctive thought that makes all of us somewhat lazy, taken to the extreme by 7s. 7s like to learn things about the world, but only the stuff that helps them act instinctively better later. They could watch videos of other people fighting, or of people playing the games they like, if they are more sports-oriented. They like to control their partner and establish some sort of labeled relationship (boyfriend, husband). Usually struggling to establish meaningful relationships, they believe that nobody likes them and that they are evil, and that nobody can like them. Worried about people betraying them, and so they don’t trust anyone except for their family, or I guess I should say blood - mother, father, brother, but not wife, father/brother-in-law. Evolutionary adaptation.
7s are really interesting in how they communicate. When in a new company, they study people, try to understand what drives them, and what they want. At this stage, they are quite introverted, barely talk, respond to questions, and ask questions to gather more information about the person or the group. And the more they know, the more talkative they become, eventually becoming as extroverted as they get. They like touching people and things, really, it is an instinctual way for people to claim territory, and for 7s, it is again taken to the extreme. Another way to claim territory is to smell, 7s smell of sweat or cologne (or blood), but they always smell of something. Finally, they like to talk and play music very loudly, for the same reason. They like weddings, holidays, and celebrations for the emotional atmosphere they bring. By the way, despite what you might think, women who are 7s are actually quite common and look and act completely adequate. They dress pretty well, wear perfume, and act quite feminine, in fact, but they prefer to hang out with men. Pretty much everything I described above applies to both sexes. I in IO stands for instinct, and the instinctual way for women to behave is feminine, but the mentality will be the same underneath.
8 (MC)
Quite easy perhaps to imagine how someone can place metaphysical pleasure as their core value. 8s are usually submerged in interpretations of their experiences, which manifest as daydreams. Usually religious and very romantic. Often they write poetry, books, or in other ways express their artistic nature. What separates them from E-types is that they do it on a whim, not to grab attention, but because it brings them pleasure, kind of like P-types when they cook for themselves. Uncautiously optimistic, whatever pattern they recognize almost always leads them to believe that something good is about to happen.
8s like money and gifts but are too weak-willed to pursue them; they’d rather imagine that they have them. 8s dress with a lot of bare skin showing, usually they have tattoos that symbolize something. By the way, all of that applies to guys, too, but most 8s I’ve seen are women. They have dampened physical sensors, so they require strong physical stimuli. For that reason, they like spicy food, but in general, they don’t eat much, because they don’t feel hunger as acutely as others. For that reason, perhaps they are usually very skinny, but 8s tell me that even if they eat a lot, they don’t gain weight at all. Again, because of dampened sensations, they can exercise a lot, especially to look good. Of all the sports, they prefer combat sports (boxing, karate, etc.). It’s hard to say why, either because they are masochistic or because they get to act as though they have instincts that are usually weakened for them. For that reason, 8s do not feel fear and often experience abulia.
8s are usually in a great mood, and even when they need something, they don’t pretend to be upset like 2s; they carefully nudge people towards 8s’ currently desired goal. It’s quite nice being an 8 in all honesty, all they need is money/stuff and time to dream/think/reflect. They hold onto persistent beliefs that the universe (or God, or fate) will provide for them. As a result, when they see a rich/good-looking person, they think the universe (God, fate) has finally delivered. Then they shower them with love and promises of a great life, while asking for money and things. When they sense (with their excellent pattern recognition skills) that their partner cannot provide for them any longer, they move on to someone else. Usually, only 7s (IO) /9s (IS) can provide for them, not just because they make a lot of money, but also because they are careful about who they give it to.
Now, let’s address the elephant in the room. 8s don’t seem like they fit within the OCIM society at all. Everyone seems so cruel and aggressive and whatever, but 8s are so nice and all. It seems to me that just like other OCIM types, the vertical hierarchical society is the preferred one for 8s. Here, they can jump from one person to a higher-status person, and even though they won't exist outside the system, they will probably not achieve high status on their own. Perhaps they could act as a spiritual leader, providing various works of art that embolden the system as a whole. They do care about their status and want a good “label”, but it’s not super important to them, and they might, for example, run away from their husbands, wives, etc.
9 (IS)
Just like 7s (IO), 9s act based on their animal instincts; they like to amass resources, make money, survive, fight, touch everyone and everything, smell (mostly of cologne/perfume), play loud music, dress well, etc. However, 9s take a different approach to almost all of these expressions. Where 7s know exactly how much they need to work, how much money they need, and what to do, 9s can’t and don’t want to understand any of it. They need to always make more money, look better, and have more children (and wives). If they see free food, they will eat all of it, for example, and that makes them physically large, even at the age of 6. Like I said, they think they always need to look better, which usually involves wearing the most expensive clothing, jewelry, and golden chains. Oddly, if you see someone tall and fat, there is a good shot that you’re looking at a 9.
9s believe in the soul, paranormal, fate, etc. Usually religious, but just like 7s, just so that they can have the right kind of afterlife. Usually, 9s believe they have some sort of superpower, like being able to tell if someone is lying, or just plain luck. You can find plenty of them in the casinos, where they repeatedly become disappointed in these affirmations. And yet, they are quite good poker players, mostly due to their social skills. They want people to worship them, to elevate them above others in their minds. Almost all cult leaders are 9s
So, how do 9s make all the money? The plan goes something as follows: make friends with influential people by using excellent social skills, get a well-paying job, save up money, go to a business training, start a business, realize you’re a lousy businessman, hire a great lawyer, break all laws you can get away with and scam as many people as you can, become rich, sell the business. 9s are very charismatic, but they know when to smile and when to pressure; they’re really good at convincing people. Have I mentioned how overpowered C-ability is? Unlike 7s (IO), 9s really do try to follow the moral principles of religion; it is not their primary desire, so unless they want money or stuff, they really do “what they should”. And when they need money and stuff, they make it a moral obligation for others to help them. Something like “We’ve been friends for so long, help me out, man”, or “I love you, can you give me $200?”. They truly love people (btw, for 1s-8s love doesn’t mean much, just emotions that come from it), but are proponents of polygamy and usually cheat in monogamous relationships.
9s do not understand laws, don’t care for the truth, lie through their teeth. So, how are they able to start and run businesses, especially the fraudulent ones that require a lot more maintenance? I already mentioned their social skills, but they also learn how to do things really well. The distinction between understanding of concepts and understanding of how to do things is quite a crucial one, and where 2,3,5,8 need to know how things work, to figure out what to do. 9s (and others we’ll talk about) want to know what to do. If they want to run a business, they do not want a lecture on macroeconomy, even if it is helpful in running a business; they want to know which papers to obtain and sign, how to hire people, and how to set up a marketing agency. They usually delegate the organization of the business to others, and when they see that their business isn’t working, they don’t try to understand why; they just tell their subordinates to “do better” or to “increase profits” without outlining specific steps.
10 (MA)
10s draw pleasure from recognizing a singular pattern, then fitting all data points inside of it and drawing pleasure from the fact that yet another piece of knowledge fits their world view. Since O is not one of their core values, they are open to changing their mind, to their credit. Because of that desire to fit data points into a pattern, they often seek out the data points, read studies, books, and browse the internet. Usually, they start out religious, but after a while, they develop their own, independent worldview that usually turns out to be materialistic. But then again, you can attribute anything to religion if you really want, so I’d say in the US, maybe 50% are religious or so. Even so, they almost always believe in some sort of eternal life and their own uniqueness/immortality. They like to study history, notice the repeating patterns in it, and they often have exceptional memory for dates and events. They prefer to spend their time thinking and analyzing data.
10s have dampened physical senses and instincts, but they like money and things. Luckily for them, their endless gathering and analysis of data make them excellent specialists in their field, and they get a good, well-paying job. They want to look good, but they don’t know how, so most of them just put a golden chain around their neck and an expensive watch around their wrist and call it a day. They enjoy receiving gifts, are masochistic in sex, they like to provoke their partners. 10s might go to the gym to look attractive, but that’s more of a rarity; they usually understand the meaninglessness of life and just lie down and analyze it.
10s would like to change the world, but their abulia and laziness don’t let them. Instead, they like to find people who would believe in their genius and who would do whatever the 10s say. 10s like to teach new methods and techniques to other people; they like to instruct them. Usually, they are well organized, and the facts they learn don’t just fall within the recognized pattern but are stored within a singular, large system. 10s like to talk about what will happen in the future, about the sequence of actions/events that will lead to a certain outcome. Usually, they are quite right and can make lots of money from investments.
Usually, 10s have some sort of moral system that they follow that emerges from the recognized pattern in the world. Something like “All the scientists are democrats, therefore the democratic political movement must be the bastion of morality”. As time goes on, just like with their understanding of reality, that pattern becomes more and more complicated, and 10s develop their own unique moral values. By the way, despite 99% of all professional scientists being 10s, a very large percentage of them, independent of their domain, believe in the objectivity of morality.
11 (AM)
If you were wondering how someone can want to experience “doing stuff” more than anything else, we are finally here. 11s usually do a lot, and quickly, but the emphasis is on quantity, not quality. If there is a hole in the door, they would duct tape it; if they are hungry, they can eat a raw egg – healthy and efficient. Usually, they are very active; they like to travel, even though they don’t care much for seeing new places, they just want to do something. They constantly ask inactive people to do stuff; they just do not understand how someone can not do anything at all. Usually, 11s become great entrepreneurs, but not because of their management skills, but because they are willing and able to do the work of 20 men by themselves, and they expect others to do the same. They do not like this whole business hierarchy stuff; they want to work with and for the employees. They like teaching and instructing others. They don’t usually care for the law; they hate the red tape and regulations and promptly ignore them. Even though they are not usually politically active, they follow the economic policy and situation in the country.
11s want to be loved and appreciated; they are very easy to manipulate by telling them that what you (the manipulator) want is moral and what you don’t want is immoral. They, more than most, believe that objective morality exists and truly try to act in accordance with the moral norms instilled in them during childhood. These moral norms are rigid and are very rarely subject to change. With that said, if a situation presents itself where they need to make a moral judgment or communicate their like or dislike for a person or a concept, they become flabbergasted and confused, because they are completely amoral; there is nothing going on up there when it comes to moral judgments. They need someone else to tell them what is right and wrong. By the way, a lot of 11s like to act immorally, knowing that they are acting immorally in small ways, just to get moral judgments of themselves from people, but of course, only in small ways. If you tell them that stealing candy from a reception desk is immoral, for example, that candy is gone-gone.
11s believe in the soul, the afterlife, and they see meaning everywhere. Unfortunately, that turns the stock market into a machine that moves money away from 11s and to other types. Because the stock market does not operate by any simple recognizable pattern, and 11s see these nonexistent patterns. They say 88% of people lose money trading, you can approximate the % of traders that are 11s from there (the best investors are 4s (OE)). 11s in general like to take risks, can open multiple businesses in their lifetime, and go to casinos, buy lottery tickets, and so on. With age and wisdom, the only thing that changes is how much they actually bet, because it’s not the money that they like, it’s the suspense and victory.
Even though they like doing stuff for the fun of it, if you ask them what they are working for, they will tell you that they are working for money. And they really do like money, to the point where they don’t even spend it. 11s usually live a pretty tame life; they spend the minimum they can on every purchase. 11s usually quickly realize that they want to look good, that food costs money, and that living a long life is rational or good or whatever. For these reasons, 11s live a very, very healthy lifestyle; they do a lot of sports, eat lots of vitamins, move around a lot, and so on. Remember, 11s, just like 5s (CM), 8s (MC), and 10s (MA), don’t feel their own bodies, don’t feel pain as much, so they can actually physically afford to subject themselves to that physical torture. Quite often, they strain their body too much and injure themselves, which, of course, achieves the opposite of their goal, and that is just tragic when that happens. 11s don’t really care too much for sex; they have it when their partner asks for it. But they can be quite insecure about it, and they quite often joke about sex.
12 (SI)
12s know exactly what they want, and, based on that and the wants of others determine what is moral and what is not. They very quickly form and share opinions about people and about their characters, usually, they see negative traits. They are excellent manipulators; they know what other people want and what they don’t. Luckily for all of us, 12s usually just want to be loved and respected, and manipulating people into loving and respecting you is quite difficult, but when the opportunity presents itself… 12s goal is not to spread the moral values but to uphold them in the existing societies, which is a contrast to 14s (SE) which we will talk about later.
Even though 12s know what they want, they don’t always know how to get there. They dream of someone like an 11 (AM) to come around and do all the things people are supposed to do. No matter the gender, 12s then make/manipulate that active person to fall in love with them and then further manipulate them into doing all the “moral” things. Then everything depends on the actual moral value system of the 12. If they believe that love is forever, then they will keep that person around them forever, sometimes even by force. If they believe that there are values that supersede love and loyalty, then they can easily break up with the person. Honestly, 12s are so varied that I struggle to give specific characteristics as I can with others. The most religious and devout nun could be a 12, and then there is someone like Andrew Tate, who is also a 12. Their behavior really depends on the moral value systems that they have been brought up in. But generally, girls are obsessed with love, and boys are obsessed with respect (and love), and then they love/respect active people or people who can further their moral ambitions.
12s like money, strength, and resources; these are some of the tools of their manipulation. If they have money, they can give gifts; if they don’t have money, then they may use physical force to make people act morally. Obviously, this is the basis for most tribal societies: define morality in the form of laws and enforce it. 12s are not too concerned with their comfort and can endure periods of prolonged discomfort, especially if it’s moral to do so. They see sex as just a part of their relationship with a person, not a goal or its culmination.
Usually, the basis of the 12s' moral value system is some metaphysical truth, like the existence of God or the afterlife. I have talked about how they actively look for productive people to manipulate them into working for them. Well, 12s are the people who most often talk about love at first sight, and they believe in it. They see someone active, and they go “fate sent me her champion” or some such, and they truly fall in love with that person. Obviously, 12s themselves are not good at recognizing patterns, and that means that they struggle to think of new ideas. They would much rather someone tell them what to do. And by the way, they love being useful; they see themselves as more valuable/moral this way. To hide their inability to process information, they often giggle. Their inability to think quickly also means they don’t like to play video games, especially ones where you have to use your imagination.
13 (AP)
13s, like 11s (AM), love to work just for the sake of it. They prefer physical work, where you don’t need to think or take risks. They usually work slowly, but the result is of higher quality, probably even the highest quality. They expect everyone to work a lot and often scold others for being lazy, even if it is their 6-year-old daughter. Unlike 11s (AM), 13s actually do understand when people just cannot physically work more, but they expect everyone to put in the maximum effort they can anyway. They take the “from each according to his ability” very literally. 13s usually understand the limitations of their bodies and work as much as they can before becoming too tired. That said, they can still work a lot. Or rather, a long time. Unfortunately, their attention to detail and desire to create higher quality products result in very slow work, which is not always desirable, and if you create time constraints, then 13s will just get too stressed out.
Surprisingly, 13s are quite egoistic. I don’t know how exactly they escape the matrix, but a lot of them absolutely despise explanations from the immaterial; they don’t believe in the metaphysical mumbo jumbo and often are agnostic or atheists. So, how can they value morality so highly? Well, they sort of go with the flow. They acknowledge that objective morality does not exist, but that they are a part of a society and that they need to follow the norms set by it. You can see how well they would fit into the SAEP society described before. If there are no definite norms set by society, they risk becoming psychopaths who just kinda don’t care about anything besides their own pleasure and appreciation. Remember, they are completely amoral, that is, they are unable to form their own morals and opinion, so they kind of go off of what is “rational”, and usually that something is pleasure or sadism.
To work well, 13s create comfortable conditions for themselves. If they work at the office, their desk is usually well organized, has all the useful tools within reach. Their homes are also well-organized, have a defined color palette, they are clean, minimalistic, and comfortable. 13s themselves are usually very clean too, their clothes are ironed, their shoes are polished, and so on. They like sex for the comfort that it brings and actively initiate it.
13s want to learn to be smart, want to experience different things, and they usually enjoy traveling and meeting new people. That said, they really don’t like anything unexpected, risky, or unpredictable. To predict what will happen in their life or with their businesses, they often use analytics, statistics, rational thinking, and not intuition. They see people as boxes with buttons, where when you press a button, a person performs a certain action. That’s why they really dislike inactive people; they are unpredictable, and you cannot gather information about the buttons or about what the buttons do.
14 (SE)
If 12s (SI) just want to uphold the moral norms they have, 14s want to spread them and create their own. They also know exactly what they like and don’t like, and all that’s left is to convince other people that their worldview is the morally correct one. We will talk in a second about how they actually go about convincing other people of that. But here, we can also discuss that they fall in love quite easily, and just like 12s, they manipulate another person into falling in love with them. Then they use that person to spread their moral values. That set of moral values implies in some way that 14s themselves are moral, usually because they have suffered a lot, whether it is because they grew up with only one parent, or because they are half-deaf in one of their ears, or because they have some sort of genetic disorder. An interesting similarity to a 5 (CM), where 14s sometimes create their own victim status if they have no other cards to play. Where 12s (SI) just attach themselves to one person at a time (but usually forever), 14s create a group of loyal friends, the goal of which is to spread the moral values set by the 14. That group of friends is hard to join and hard to leave. 14s usually get really attached to each member on an individual level.
If you couldn’t tell, I don’t really like 14s, but I cannot deny that 14s are the best employees you can get. No matter what business you own. 14s are intelligent, smart, punctual, have great memory, obedient, fast, enjoy doing things they are told to do, don’t create drama or tension, and they have great attention to detail. Really, if I were to start a business, I would clench my teeth and hire 10s as managers and 14s as employees. They like active people who constantly tell them to do something, and who do a lot themselves. At a very young age, they realize that they like working, and sometimes they use it to improve their social credit by saying how victimized they were and how much they had to work as a child, even if they didn’t particularly dislike that. 14s learn new skills and techniques very well, but they prefer practical knowledge, not theoretical. With theoretical and abstract concepts, they struggle quite a bit. It is easier for them to learn what to do, not what is. They do not want to know how something works or how labor is organized.
Personal expression for 14s is just a means to an end of making everyone around them be sympathetic towards them and to promote their morality to other societies and people. If 14s cannot come up with anything that makes them sympathetic and lovable in the eyes of others, they can become queer. And I don’t mean pretend to be queer or anything. They actually change their character, and they genuinely love the same sex or proclaim to not want sex at all. 14s are excellent at waging information wars, creating and spreading rumors. That’s not to say that 14s don’t want to control speech themselves, by the way. If they somehow end up in power, they will want to promote their ideas and enshrine them into the fabric of society. And all other ideas are better off being suppressed and banned.
14s have little to no instincts; they don’t have animal lust or sexual desires or anything like that, so coming out as asexual is not just pretending to be asexual; they genuinely don’t care for sex, so long as they can, umm, pleasure themselves at home. The same thing goes for being homosexual; they don’t love people for how they look, but for the content of their character. Pretty much everyone on the spectrum is either 1s who look for attention or 14s who genuinely fit the label they place on themselves, plus that helps them garner sympathy. And of course, 14s don’t really care about survival, so they would be the people to sacrifice themselves or to give out their last possessions, to uphold their moral values, and increase their social credit.
15 (ES)
Similar to 1s (EO), 15s want to be remembered and recognized. 1s (EO) deliberately do immoral things and come up with new ideas about the world’s structure, which makes them look inadequate and antisocial. So, how do 15s, that actually do value morality, achieve their primary objective? Before we get into that, it is important to recognize that 15s are very, very smart, just as much as 1s; they just use their wits for solving social problems, not objective reality-related ones. They see the patterns not in real-life phenomena, but in people’s behaviors, subtle actions, movement of facial muscles, and emotions they express, to almost immediately construct a detailed perception of the person’s character, values, and motivations. They then use these perceptions to befriend the person, and then another, and another, until they have an ever-expanding group of loyal friends, and 15s are in the center of that group. The purpose of the group, in the eyes of the 15, is to tell others about how unique and special 15 is. These other people then join the group, and the cycle repeats.
15s enjoy sex and physical comfort very much, but they do not want to attach themselves to any one person, so usually they have sex on the side. Sometimes this can grow into temporary laziness, but 15s usually snap out of it when they need to engage with the group. They like parties with lots of food, where they can make friends and expand their group. They do sports to stay healthy, and if they are good at it can even become athletes, which can help make them famous. Of course, being a professional athlete is usually physically painful, so 15s weigh their options and often decide to do something else.
In the process of creating their group, 15s engage with people on such a personal level that the inductees believe they have an exclusive and meaningful connection with the 15. Usually, this grows into a mutual romantic interest between the 15 and the inductee. The problem is that this romantic interest exists between 15 and many different people. This interest on the side of the 15 is genuine; they are truly attracted to, or at least interested in, many people at the same time. Plus, this creates an interesting social situation, with multiple interests from different people, and 15s enjoy navigating these complex social situations, just like 1s (EO) enjoy solving puzzles or complex mathematical problems. 15s usually understand the social and moral norms quite well and can adapt to new social norms with ease. They use their knowledge of the moral norms to create and expand the group, and then promote themselves.
15s don’t understand structures and hierarchies, they don’t respect status and positions, they see people for the content of their character, which obviously does not help them at work, where they need to listen to the manager, or run businesses where you have to be the manager yourself. The same could be said for 9s (IS), 13s (AP), and 11s (AM), but they have their own unique solutions to these problems, unlike 15s. And so instead of understanding how things work, 15s want to know and learn how to do things. 15s work well as journalists, writers, social workers, or volunteers. Any type of work that requires memorization of large amounts of information is not for them; they have poor memory.
16 (PA)
16s are slow and lazy; they see physical well-being as the ultimate good. Unlike 2s (PC) or 3s (CP), for whom emotional well-being is linked to physical well-being, or 13s (AP) who really care about morals, 16s have little reason to care for others’ well-being (well, except for the moral norms, of course); they prioritize their own pleasure, and everyone else exists as a means to an end of their pleasure. You would think that that kind of lifestyle would lead to obesity and health issues, and while that does happen, more commonly, 16s realize that they are in for an uncomfortable life if they continue the hedonistic lifestyle. That said, 16s have well-developed sensory capabilities; they are sensitive to touch and smell, and do not like it when their personal space is invaded. 16s believe that what their sensory experiences tell them gives them objectively accurate information. For example, if a 16 likes broccoli, that must mean that broccoli is objectively tasty. They dress comfortably, and they don’t really care how they look.
In their free time, 16, especially when they are younger, prefer to just do nothing, lie in bed, or on the couch. But as time goes on, they might discover an irrational preference for new experiences, change, and activities with the element of adventure. They might prefer walking or driving to new places, or fishing. Even the music they listen to has an element of randomness or weirdness, EDM or rock, for example. By the way, to them, the quality of the sound is more important than the lyrics. Lots of 16 I’ve met watch anime. They understand that having kids is irrational and uncomfortable and all that, but as time goes on, they realize they have an affection for them, and kids love 16s in return. Eventually, they decide to have kids of their own, and they find the whole experience quite enjoyable: children provide 16s with unique experiences and 16s provide kids with comfort and freedom to develop.
16s believe that there is a set of actions they need to perform in order to achieve comfort, and then they perform them in order. If they have a job, they usually make it comfortable for themselves, something where they do not need to exert themselves too much, and instead display their learned skills. They learn pretty quickly, and they understand both what to do and how things work. Very often, 16s become specialists in their domain and make good money. But as soon as the income becomes enough for them to sustain a comfortable life, they stop climbing the corporate ladder and settle into a comfortable lifestyle. While climbing the corporate ladder, they abide by the same principle: set the goal, define steps to achieve it, and perform the steps one by one. 16s usually make great cooks and chefs, but the chef’s life is too action-packed for them, so they limit their skills to their own kitchen.
16s are either completely unemotional or have this provocative semi-smile that they cannot control. If they see an ad on TV or elsewhere, they are less likely to buy the product. They see any kind of emotional expression as an attempt to manipulate them. Another reason for 16s to like kids: their emotions are always genuine. 16s do not like loud music, parties, parades, or holiday celebrations. At the same time, they do like the sense of community and family. Just like 10s (MA), 11s (AM), and 13s (AP), 16s humor is sarcastic. Sarcasm, in general, is just laughing at the absurd, so it would make sense that the types to be able to create A-type utility for themselves would be the sarcastic ones. Although 16s don’t really care for hierarchies, they obey them if it is moral. At the same time, they see themselves as a part of a morally superior group of people, and they are not afraid to say it. For example, if they believe that the democrats are the morally better group of people, they would outwardly express their support and allegiance to them in conversations.
Utilitarianism
As you might have noticed, about half the people, or at least half the types (7-10, 15-2) have agentic values, that is, the state of society has less effect on their utility than their own state. Indeed, when I was discussing the different types of utilitarianism, I meant the preferred state of society, absent the individual. For example, a 7 (IO) would want to have a certain amount of wealth and physical strength, and it doesn’t really matter if they live in an anarchic society, sure, but if they were to design a perfect society, which they are told they are not a part of, it would look very much like the vertical hierarchy with a supreme leader or a deity on top. At the same time, a 5 (CM) and most certainly a 6 (OI), would want that kind of society, and living in that kind of society would provide them with utility that money or pleasure never could. The same is true about the types of utilitarianism mentioned for each value group. Only half of the types are primarily utilitarians. This raises an interesting question. Would societies be built if people did not believe in objective morality or objective truth? Objective truth is perhaps easier to circumvent. Even though there is no objective truth, our subjective truths are so similar, it doesn’t really matter. Objective morality is quite a bit more interesting. Could people just come together and say, “Even though there is no objective morality, our type of utilitarianism and our values in general are so similar that we are able to use our common values to build a society”. Then, perhaps, laws would need to be implemented that would motivate people with all sorts of values to coexist. Indeed, a law against theft would be redundant in a society comprised entirely of 4s, for example. Now, certainly, having a myth of objective morality would make the process of creating a society a lot easier. But I don’t think it’s necessary, however. I think people can come together and consciously acknowledge that they have different values, but there is some commonality in these sets of values, and they could build a society based on those.
But the issue is that modern civilizations are based on the idea that people with all sorts of values can fit, and not just fit, but be happy within this society. The only kind of civilization that would satisfy all kinds of utilitarians is the one in which each member is as happy as they can be. And even then, I don’t know if that would work, since the maximum level of happiness is different for everyone, so it would probably not satisfy EPOC, the minimum deviation utilitarians. But the problem is that people are born into societies with values different from their own, and so it would be hard to keep them happy. OCIM societies found a solution to this problem. They heavily stigmatize and even kill those who do not fit. And again, the fact that I consider some people being unhappy in a society a problem speaks to my own biases; on the OCIM worldview, the existence of the unhappy person is not an issue at all. For OCIM and IMSA people that kind of unhappy person is more like untapped potential to maximize the maximum and the sum utilities respectively. But what about other “pure” societies? What would they do if they found a person with rogue values in their midst? Because suicide and death are not frowned upon in EPOC and SAEP values, they also could just kill that person if the EPOC society understands that the life of that individual would lead to an increased utility difference, and if the SAEP society sees murder as moral. IMSA is a different case. They would see that person as an opportunity to increase the overall utility of their society, and the diversity of ideas, though contrary to their values directly, can indirectly increase the sum of utility by producing a new method or idea. Specifically for a SAEP society, we can see the kind of threat a rogue element poses to that society in Skeleton Crew, a kids' Star Wars show.
Let’s revisit some other topics we have previously explored. Most moral dilemmas are EP vs MI issues, since morality is relative and can be considered as a part of objective reality, so something like abortion will not be an issue of truth vs morality. From here, it is easy to see which side of the issue people will end up depending on whether the policy provides EP utility or MI utility. So the positive position on abortion, immigration, taxation, and suicide will be held by people with EP values, and the negative position on these issues will be held by people with MI values. Except for those people who take a stance based on the belief in objectivity. For example, if everyone around you believes abortion is moral and you are a 12 (SI) or a 6 (OI), you will accept that position as “right”, “moral”, or “good”. On the other hand, if you are a 4 (OE) or a 14 (SE) and everyone around you believes taxation is theft, then you might just find yourself agreeing with that.
I defined the value of a utility source as the difference between the maximum and minimum derived utility specifically from that source. The reason for that is that some types, more specifically those whose number gives a remainder of 1 or 2 when divided by 4, will not really suffer too much when deprived of the utility for their top value, but they are able to draw almost infinite positive utility from the same utility source. For example, 2s (PC) want a large variety of pleasurable sensory experiences and are not too sensitive to pain, whereas 16s (PA) are extremely sensitive to negative utility from physical experience, and their goal is to establish a consistent, somewhat pleasurable life for themselves. You can extend that logic to all other types. For some utility sources, like C, O, and M, it is more difficult, however, so I will explain these here. 3s (CP) want minimum negative emotions, whereas 5s (CM) want a large variety of emotions from the world. 4s (OE) want people to be equals and life to be fair, to minimize the differences in utility; 6s (OI) want to construct large hierarchical structures, with many ranks and positions, designed to maximize the utility of an individual. 8s (MC) want to minimize disharmony in the world or at least around them, 10s (MA) want to find large-scale patterns that explain previous events and predict the future. The reason why it is so important to understand what people actually derive utility from is that, again, stigmatization of suicide is one of the greatest utilitarian issues, perhaps right behind animal rights, no matter what kind of utilitarian you are.
Let’s look at a pretty interesting paradox. A completely IMSA society would be a perfectly satisfying society only to all the IMSA people, but not to OCIM, EPOC, or SAEP people. A perfect SAEP society will seem perfect to SAEP and maybe EPOC people, but not to OCIM or IMSA people. A perfect EPOC society will seem perfect to all the EPOC and SAEP people, but not to IMSA or OCIM people. A perfect OCIM society will seem perfect to OCIM people, but not to IMSA, EPOC, or SAEP people. So, it appears that EPOC is the “best” society. But, of course, why should that matter, if a perfect society would be perfect for all people that exist within it anyway? Well, because we don’t actually live in any of those societies. So actualizing the existence of such a society is really all that matters. Like, there is no chance you are going to be able to sell the idea of murdering everyone who does not desire an authoritarian society. But a society that would be perfectly just and fair and redistribute the resources evenly amongst everyone sounds quite nice to EPOC and SAEP people, even if it sounds horrendous to OCIM and IMSA people. This really is the reason why I believe the left wing will eventually succeed against the right wing. Unfortunately, the left-wing positions can lead to a society vulnerable to external physical threats, again, watch Skeleton Crew for an example.
Speaking of the left wing, in the US, the cities are substantially more left-leaning because there is no need to be strong and spiritual to thrive there. You are already well-protected against physical threats, and the lack of the need for sacrifice (not just death, but also resource sacrifice) makes the need for spirituality almost non-existent. Hence, the a lack of religiosity and the MI values in general compared to the rural areas. We can then see how weapon bans would be beneficial to an urban population and why they have the opposite effect in rural areas.
Final Thoughts
I tried to present the different sides to the numerous issues discussed, but I do have opinions of my own. And I think it would be unfair to leave the reader without the knowledge of them. Personally, I am a future, cross-temporal human-centric average utilitarian. That means that I don’t care how many people are alive at any given moment, so long as the least happy person is the happiest they can be. I mentioned that nobody is an average utilitarian, and I meant that. At heart, I am not one either. All I’ve said in the value group section is true; you would still derive the highest utility from the societal change towards your preferred kind of utilitarianism. But what about other people in those societies? Imagine if there existed 5 societies, each has the highest respective form of utilitarianism, minimum, maximum, sum, average, min deviation. Suppose you were to become a random person in one of those societies, which one would you choose? Keep in mind that the random member might not necessarily share your preferred kind of utilitarianism. Also, note that there are people who derive utility primarily from the state of their society, but to simplify the thought experiment, imagine that the random person you become is not one of them. I think the choice of the average-utilitarian society becomes obvious then, since it maximizes your personal expected utility.
The repugnant conclusion of average utilitarianism is that a society with a thousand people each with a utility of 100 is preferable to a society with a billion people each with a utility of 99. But again, consider that you will be born into one of those societies. One of those is more preferable to an average member than the other. Literally nobody would want to migrate from a smaller society to a larger society, because nobody wants lower utility. So, how would we achieve maximum average utility?
I think that AI and robotics are a sort of panacea, and their development will eventually lead to extremely cheap labor and low prices for everything, which will stimulate everyone’s happiness and our population’s reproduction rate being below 2.1 will not matter at that point, so long as the mothers are happy, unchecked immigration will not be a problem, since jobs aren’t threatened, since there are no jobs in an AI-driven world, there will be no need for guns and an organized militia, since AI-driven police bots would do their job better than any real human ever could. And I don’t think that the world will turn into some sort of AI-governed dystopia, I think, if given the right directives to maximize the utility of every sentient being or some such, AI policing can work wonders.
This might make you believe that I am a radical pro-choice, pro-immigration, anti-gun communist. And perhaps I am, but the problem is getting to what I see as this AI utopia. To me, that utopia will generate so much utility that the only goal is getting there as fast as possible. We will be able to redistribute this utility without affecting the means of its creation. And to do that, we need to adopt policies that are actually the exact opposite of the end goal. We need to discourage abortion and encourage family creation, so that there are as many people as there can be working to create the best AI. Naturally, we would need near-unchecked full-scale capitalism, with as much federal funding as possible being used for subsidies for AI, medicine, robotics, and general scientific research instead of the federal welfare programs. It would be foolish to ignore the national or religious absolutists that live in other countries, who would no doubt attempt to thwart these efforts. So, a much larger military funding would be warranted as well. Immigration must be limited to competent, high-skill workers. And, after AI harvests our crops, makes our food, produces necessities, heals people, assembles new AI robots, runs most businesses, and polices cities, we can completely reverse our what some might call far-right policies into the far-left policies.
But, of course, that is just my opinion, and you can have your own, which would by definition be a better opinion than mine.